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• Automation at GUI or API Level in Scrum

  - by Sani Parwani

  I am a Automation Engineer. I use QTP for Automation. I wanted to know couple of things. In a scrum Project which has 2 weeks of work, how can complete automation be done in that time frame (talking only about the GUI Level)? Similarly, how can API Level of automated testing be accomplished, especially inside a single sprint? And what exactly is API level testing? How to begin with API Testing? I assume QTP is not the tool here certainly.

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• java development of products and automation development

  - by momo

  I'm a java developer working on j2ee development, on real products (not inhouse tools). I found another job to work on development of test automation frameworks / continuous integration. is development of test automation frameworks will affect my skill set ?is it considered to be less reputed and less needed? (the reason im confused is that the new role salary is higher).. do you think I should give up this offer and continue seeking a development role within the domain technolgies (java / j2ee) ?

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• Documenting applications - automation / semi-automation for screenshots?

  - by bguiz

  For me one of the biggest bores of being a developer is writing user documentation. (I am referring to the stuff that gets exported into PDF files files that ship with the product, not comments in code here). The task off adding or updating new bits of text to the existing documentation is OK. However having to take screenshots of select screens can be quite a tedious process. Is there a way to automate or even semi-automate the process of taking screenshots? The main requirement is the ability to crop images such that they contain only the window, including window manager areas (such as the title bar). The secondary requirement is that any format is OK, so long as it can be exported to PDF. EDIT: Any more biters?

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• Installation automation

  - by Denis Gorbachev

  Use case: When I install Ubuntu on another computer, I need to: install all the packages that I use; make some config changes; svn checkout some projects; git clone some projects; setup .ssh/config; download a custom Eclipse build; download some additional Eclipse plugins; make many other tweaks. So, I want to run a script, like sudo install-everything-needed, that would execute these predefined actions. Is there any package that provides the backbone for such system?

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• Problems with Continuous Integration (CI) in TFS during Build Automation?

  - by Steve Johnson

  Hi all, I am using TFS 2008 and Visual Studio and my boss has instructed me to implement Build Automation for Development and Release builds for a web Project. I am a total newbie in Build Automation. There are multiple developers working on the project on different machines using Visual Studio 2008 team System. Source is already being maintained on TFS 2008. SQL Server in Use is SQL Server 2000 and hosted IIS is IIS 7.5 on Windows Server 2008 x64. I have searched over the net and found Continuous Integration and Nightly Builds as two important Build Automation techniques. I was just wondering of any disadvantages associated with both the methodologies (CI and Nightly Builds). If someone could guide me to a working tutorial that explains both techniques the it would be quite helpful. Please also tell the requirements of IIS, SQL Server and any other that might be pre-requisite to implement build automation. Also i would like to know whether there are other techniques that are better then CI? Replies and discussion much appreciated. Thanks

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• SQL SERVER – Automation Process Good or Ugly

  - by pinaldave

  This blog post is written in response to T-SQL Tuesday hosted by SQL Server Insane Asylum. The idea of this post really caught my attention. Automation – something getting itself done after the initial programming, is my understanding of the subject. The very next thought was – is it good or evil? The reality is there is no right answer. However, what if we quickly note a few things, then I would like to request your help to complete this post. We will start with the positive parts in SQL Server where automation happens. The Good If I start thinking of SQL Server and Automation the very first thing that comes to my mind is SQL Agent, which runs various jobs. Once I configure any task or job, it runs fine (till something goes wrong!). Well, automation has its own advantages. We all have used SQL Agent for so many things – backup, various validation jobs, maintenance jobs and numerous other things. What other kinds of automation tasks do you run in your database server? The Ugly This part is very interesting, because it can get really ugly(!). During my career I have found so many bad automation agent jobs. Client had an agent job where he was dropping the clean buffers every hour Client using database mail to send regular emails instead of necessary alert related emails The best one – A client used new Missing Index and Unused Index scripts in SQL Agent Job to follow suggestions 100%. Believe me, I have never seen such a badly performing and hard to optimize database. (I ended up dropping all non-clustered indexes on the development server and ran production workload on the development server again, then configured with optimal indexes). Shrinking database is performance killer. It should never be automated. SQL SERVER – Shrinking Database is Bad – Increases Fragmentation – Reduces Performance The one I hate the most is AutoShrink Database. It has given me hard time in my career quite a few times. SQL SERVER – SHRINKDATABASE For Every Database in the SQL Server Automation is necessary but common sense is a must when creating automation. Reference: Pinal Dave (http://blog.SQLAuthority.com) Filed under: Pinal Dave, PostADay, SQL, SQL Authority, SQL Query, SQL Server, SQL Tips and Tricks, SQLServer, T SQL, Technology

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• Cannot run "Automation Anywhere" exe files from console (session 0) on Windows Server 2003 64 bit

  - by Tyler

  I have a simple exe created from an Automation Anywhere task that displays a message box saying hello world. I created this simple exe just for debugging the following issue. When I log in to the console (session 0), and run the Automation Anywhere created executable, it starts to run the task, it shows up in the applications and processes list in the task manager and it shows the two "loading..." windows briefly on the screen, just like normal. But after that, nothing happens... the "hello world" message does not show up. The exe is done and is removed from the application and process list in the task manager. The user I am logged in as, has admin rights and the machine uses "autologin" to automatically log in using this profile when it starts up. If I right click on the exe and "run as" another admin user, the exe runs properly, showing the "hello world" message. Also, if I log into the server in a new session, with the original user (the one that has the problems in session 0), and then run the exe, it runs properly and shows the "hello world". It works fine in any session other than the console session. There is something about the console session that is causing the exe not to run properly... even though it does appear to start running the exe. I should also mention that everything was working fine until Monday at midnight, after which none of the executables could be run successfully. Nothing was changed on the server and no updates were installed. I have since installed windows updates, but that didn't change anything. Looking for some advice on how to get these executables working in the console session again. Thanks!

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• Windows GUI Automation

  - by Kiran

  Hello, I am planning to automate some of the functionality of the GUI developed in Microsoft Visual C#. I am new to Automation with GUI. Would be glad if you share your experience regarding GUI Automation and some of the tools available for the automation. I plan to develop some programms / scripts in order to realise some of the functionality of the GUI

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• How do you write a consistent UI Automation for MS? MSAA & UI Automation don't seem to overlap.

  - by Greg

  Working on a general Automation tool, considering moving from Win32 Message hooks to .net UI Automation, however the feature set of UI Automation doesn't cover all we have in Win32 and still doesn't seem to support all the GUI on Windows. One such example is Windows Live Messenger. Windows Live messenger 2009 is still using the older DirectUIHwnd to draw the gui. This means that you can't use windows messages to send to the controls, because the controls don't have their own HWND. It also seems to defeat the new .net UI Automation framework though the documentation seems to make out as if it can be joined in the UI Automation and Microsoft Active Accessibility document. Looking at MS Accessibility pointed to Active Accessibility 2.0 SDK Tools which showed that MSAA can interact with the contents. Is there some trick to getting the older MSAA technology that UI Automation seems to be trying to replace to actually work with UI Automation? I'd rather not have multiple solutions trying to automate the same windows for windows unlike Windows Live Messenger where each of these techniques is valid and will work.

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• Experiences with UI Automation and WPF

  - by soren.enemaerke

  We are developing a rather large WPF based application and would like to include some automated UI testing in our test suite (which already contains a number of unit tests). The UI Automation Framework from Microsoft partly sounds like a perfect fit for programatically launching and interacting with the application in a test setup. However, I've struggled to find solid references for samples and experiences with the technology, the articles and small samples available on MSDN is not enough to convince me that it is a solid choice. So, does anybody have real world experiences using the UI Automation Framework in their test suite? What are the caveats and the gotchas? Any best practices when written tests scripts, can you "record and replay" to a scriptable format, how much should you facilitate the testing from the application, how did you incorporate it in the automatic build? Should we be looking in another direction than the UI Automation Framework? Feel free to post you experiences here or link to some good references I might have missed

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• What are the disadvantages of automated testing?

  - by jkohlhepp

  There are a number of questions on this site that give plenty of information about the benefits that can be gained from automated testing. But I didn't see anything that represented the other side of the coin: what are the disadvantages? Everything in life is a tradeoff and there are no silver bullets, so surely there must be some valid reasons not to do automated testing. What are they? Here's a few that I've come up with: Requires more initial developer time for a given feature Requires a higher skill level of team members Increase tooling needs (test runners, frameworks, etc.) Complex analysis required when a failed test in encountered - is this test obsolete due to my change or is it telling me I made a mistake? Edit I should say that I am a huge proponent of automated testing, and I'm not looking to be convinced to do it. I'm looking to understand what the disadvantages are so when I go to my company to make a case for it I don't look like I'm throwing around the next imaginary silver bullet. Also, I'm explicity not looking for someone to dispute my examples above. I am taking as true that there must be some disadvantages (everything has trade-offs) and I want to understand what those are.

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• Moving from Test Automation to Development

  - by avgvstvs

  I'm in an interesting quandary. I've been doing test automation using QTP for about 1.5 years, and am in the slow process of switching to a developer role in my same company. I also begin my Master's in CS this fall. An old friend is trying to recruit me for a Sr. Test Automation position that could potentially pay me $23k more for the exact same thing I do now. But obviously I would defer moving to development. The new company is much more technical overall (I would be moving from financial services to industrial automation, and they have MANY more software dev roles available. I know traditionally QA type jobs carry an odd "danger" tag, but test automation is really a different beast. Does anyone have any experience moving from test automation to development? Does the QA stigma exist? The extra $$ would be nice, but not at the expense of my career. I should note that my Master's will be on Systems/parallel programming, so one thought is that I'll get automatic consideraton for development upon completing my Master's. I also work 6hrs/wk doing game development with a friend.

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• Oracle Policy Automation at OpenWorld 2012

  - by jeffrey.waterman

  Oracle Policy Automation (OPA)atOpenWorld 2012 Oracle Policy Automation (OPA), the breakthrough policy automation platform, enables organizations to deliver: Consistent policy-based decision making throughout the organization across all channels Agile response to policy changes and analysis Transparency and auditability This year there will be: 8 sessions – combination of customer panels & product strategy sessions Standalone OPA DEMOpod – Moscone Center WEST, W044 Key highlights Hear Davin Fifield discuss the Product Roadmap for OPA (including OPA + RightNow) he will also be joined by Sean Haynes from Stewart Title who will share the success they are having with OPA. OPA Public Sector Customer Panel - This year the OPA panel consists of some of OPA’s most successful & largest customers, speakers include: Department Works & Pension (UK) Toll – Department of Defence (AU) Municipality of Sao Paulo (Brazil) SCHEDULE HIGHLIGHTS Monday October 1, 2012 SESSION ID TIME TITLE LOCATION CON9655 12:15 pm  1:15 pm PST (Pacific Standard Time) Oracle Policy Automation Roadmap: Supercharging the Customer Experience Davin Fifield, VP OPA Development, OracleSean Haynes, VP Stewart Title Westin San Francisco - Metropolitan I CON9700 12:15 m – 1:15 pm PST (Pacific Standard Time) Siebel CRM Overview, Strategy, and RoadmapGeorge Jacob - Group Vice President, CRM Applications / XML, OracleUma Welingkar - Director, Product Management, Oracle Moscone West - 2009 Wednesday October 3, 2012 SESSION ID TIME TITLE LOCATION CON8840 5.00pm – 6.00pm PST (Pacific Standard Time) Achieving Agility Through Closed-Loop Policy AutomationCustomer PanelFacilitator – Surend Dayal, Oracle Dept. Works & Pension (UK) – Haydn Leary Municipality of Sao Paulo (Brazil) - Luiz Cesar Michielin Kiel Toll (AU) – Nigel Maloney   Westin San Francisco - Franciscan I CON8952 5.00pm – 6.00pm PST (Pacific Standard Time) BPM: An Extension Strategy for Enterprise ApplicationsHarish Gaur -  OracleSrikant Subramaniam - Oracle Moscone West - 3003 Thursday October 4, 2012 SESSION ID TIME TITLE LOCATION CON11515 2:15 pm – 3:15 pm PST (Pacific Standard Time) Oracle Policy Automation + RightNow: Agile self-service and agent experiencesDavin Fifield, VP OPA Development, Oracle Westin San Francisco - City

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• mocha testing for the lazies, single key-press for all possible tests

  - by laggingreflex

  I have a batch file that lists all the test files I have and asks me which test I want to perform, like Test. [U]nit, [I]ntegration : i (user input) Integration. [A]ll, [2][U]serInteraction, [3][R]esultGeneration : u 2 User Interaction. Running "mocha integration\2userint.js" ... So essentially I have configured a batch "option" for each test file I have, which I can choose to run individually or all together. But adding and removing tests is a pain. Is there something that does this or anything like this automatically? Like reads all the files and asks me which file(s) I want to test. A GUI with checkboxes would be ultimate! but I'll take anything. I'm working in node.js

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• Software, script or a tool to automate managing which tests to run

  - by laggingreflex

  I have a batch file that lists all the test files I have and asks me which test I want to perform, like Test. [U]nit, [I]ntegration : i (user input) Integration. [A]ll, [2][U]serInteraction, [3][R]esultGeneration : u 2 User Interaction. Running "mocha integration\2userint.js" ... So essentially I have configured a batch "option" for each test file I have, which I can choose to run individually or all together. But adding and removing tests is a pain. I have to update the batch file everytime a new file is added or changed. Is there a software, script or a tool, that does this automatically, or makes it easier for me to do so? I basically need it to be aware of and ask me which file(s) I want to test. A GUI with checkboxes would be ultimate! but I'll take anything. I'm working in node.js

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• test automation tools avaiable for blackberry and iphone

  - by thndrkiss

  Hi, I am new to mobile test automation. Kindly suggest test automation tools available for blackberry and iPhone.

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• When should automation begin?

  - by onesith

  I want to start implementing automation. I just don't know if this would be a good use of resource. The application is growing at an exponential rate but i don't know at what point does automation benefits testing. Can you give me reasons why you would automate even though you have manual testers?

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• Automator won't change finder item names of photoshop automation exports

  - by marty

  I made a folder action that monitors a folder and changes the name of anything put in it. Then I automate a photoshop action that exports images to the folder. for some reason I have to move the images out of the folder and then back in for it to change. is there a way to have it change the images as they're saved there? is this a bug or am i doing something wrong? it works fine if i just move the images in and out of the folder. and sometimes it will change just a couple of them, which makes me think it's just because they're coming in so fast that it glitches.

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• Outlook automation

  - by Ace Pace

  What do people here use to automate work with outlook? Programming scripts to filter messages instead of using the GUI? A macro to email out notices based on an Excel list with dates? I'm looking for further ideas on automating the paperwork parts of my day.

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• Automation Question using VMWare Workstation

  - by James K

  I'm running an experiment that requires me to create 100 instances of Windows XP w/SP3 and saving each VM instance off to a hard drive. I have to annotate the time that the VM load starts (starting my timer when I see the "Setup is preparing...") until the load ends when I see the final desktop after VM loads its drivers. I also have to annotate the host start and stop time. Is there any way this process can be automated? Each load runs me about 16:00 minutes and gets real tiresome after a time. BTW... Exact timing is not necessary, eyeballing as described above is sufficient for my testing needs.

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• Automation of installations

  - by sharepointguy

  Hi, Is there an affordable program which will automate the installation of applications? I am looking for something that will work with Windows 7/Server 2008 R2 so that I can automate installations of VM builds (I use Hyper-V). Thanks

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• WPF UI Automation - AutomationElement.FindFirst fails when there are lots of elements

  - by Orion Edwards

  We've got some automated UI tests for our WPF app (.NET 4); these test use the UI Automation API's. We call AutomationElement.FindFirst to find a target element, and then interact with it. Example (pseudocode): var nameEquals = new PropertyCondition(AutomationElement.NameProperty, "OurAppWindow"); var appWindow = DesktopWindow.FindFirst(TreeScope.Children, nameEquals); // this succeeds var idEquals = new PropertyCondition(AutomationElement.AutomationIdProperty, "ControlId"); var someItem = appWindow.FindFirst(TreeScope.Descendants, idEquals); // this suceeds sometimes, and fails sometimes! The problem is, the appWindow.FindFirst will sometimes fail and return null, even when the element is present. I've written a helper function which walks the UI automation tree manually and prints it out, and the element with the correct ID is present in all cases. It seems to be related to how many other items are also being displayed in the window. If there are no other items then it always succeeds, but when there are many other complex UI elements being displayed alongside it, then the find fails. I can't find any documented element limit mentioned for any of the automation API's - is there some way around this? I'm thinking I might have to write my own implemententation of FindFirst which does the tree walk manually itself... As far as I can tell this should work, because my tree-printer utility function does exactly that, and it's ok, but it seems like this would be unnecessary and slow :-( Any help would be greatly appreciated

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• Unable to open word file (MSWord 2007) when word automation program is running

  - by sankaran

  In my application i am using word automation to get the text content from the file. It is working fine no issues. But at the instant when word automation is processing, if i open the word file, it is throwing a dialog with message (any file) "This file is in use by another application or user. (C:\User\xyz\AppData...\Normal.dotm)". When close the dialog, it asking for save the file "normal.dotm"...template file. This happens only in MSWord 2007 not in MSWord 2003. can any one tell the solution please.

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• UI Automation / Retrieve File Extension / C#

  - by AP

  Dear all, I am tasked with a project that requires me to retreieve a specific file from a folder where I can only get an X and Y on the screen. While in XP I managed to use the fact that windows explorer is in essence a list view, and used the WM_HITTEST message to obtain information about the file, in Windows 7, this is not the case. To solve this problem, I am using UI Automation, which is a great tool for such things, only problem is that in the case, the windows handle I am looking at belongs to the desktop, and the desktop might have several files with the same name but with different extensions (and windows is configured to "hide extensions of known file types") UI automation does not return the extension back to me. I have tried many things, but I cannot find any robust solution which would give me 100% success. Has anyone tried this? successfully? Would appreciate any pointers. Many thanks,

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• How to run PowerShell scripts via automation without running into Host issues

  - by Scott Weinstein

  I'm looking to run some powershell scripts via automation. Something like: IList errors; Collection<PSObject> res = null; using (RunspaceInvoke rsi = new RunspaceInvoke()) { try { res = rsi.Invoke(commandline, null, out errors); } catch (Exception ex) { LastErrorMessage = ex.ToString(); Debug.WriteLine(LastErrorMessage); return 1; } } the problem I'm facing is that if my script uses cmdlets such as write-host the above throws an System.Management.Automation.CmdletInvocationException - Cannot invoke this function because the current host does not implement it. What are some good options for getting around this problem?

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