What would you suggest as a high school first language?

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Published on 2009-02-26T16:02:32Z Indexed on 2010/03/19 19:01 UTC
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Edit by OA: After reading some answers I'll just update the question a little. At first I put it a little bluntly, but some of those gave me some good arguments which have to be taken into consideration while making a stand on this one. (these are mostly picked up from comments and answers below).

A few things to take into account:

  • to many pupils this is a first programming language - at this stage most of them have trouble grasping a difference between data types, variable passing, ... and whatnot, less alone pointers and similar 'low level stuff' :)
  • they will all have to pass this to get into next grade (well, big majority of them anyway)
  • not all of them have computers at home, not all of them are willing to learn this, less alone interested in - so the concepts have to be taught on a finite time scale in school hours (as well as practice on computers)
  • free literature is a bonus - the teacher will make some scripts and handaways, but still ... I wouldn't like to bear the parents with the burden of buying expensive literature (also, english is not a native language here ... and although they are all learning it, their ability to read it fluently is somewhat questionable)
  • somebody gave an argument - "a language which does not get in the way of ideas" - good one
  • accessibility on different platforms in not expecially important at this point - although most of the suggested ones are available on win as well as linux - not many macs in this part of europe (their prices are sky high for anything but specialised usage)
  • I will check what are the licencing issues on ms express editions about using it massively in high schools for purposes like this - if someone has any info about this, please, do not be shy with it :)


A friend of mine, informatics teacher - in EU it comes as something as junior cs teacher, in a local high school asked me what I thought about what should be the first language pupils should be taught? It is a technical school (a little more oriented towards mathematics than the gymnasium, but not computer oriented totally).

So I'm asking you - what do you think should be the first language pupils are exposed to in highschool?

They have been teaching Pascal so far, but she's not sure that's a good course. She thought about switching to C (which I resented; considering not all pupils have interests in programming, to start with, and should be taught something higher level since they are just gripping the idea of a loop and such ... for a start), I suggested python or ruby (preferably py since it handles all paradigms).

What is your opinion on this one?

I looked, but didn't find a similar question on SO, so if there is one, please just point me towards it.

Edit: The assumption is that none of the pupils have been exposed to any programming in junior school.


See also:

What is the best way to teach young kids some basic programming concepts?

Best ways to teach a beginner to program

How and when do you teach a kid to code

What is the easiest language to start with?

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