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  • Offshoring: does it ever work?

    - by DanSingerman
    I know there has been a fair amount of discussion on here about outsourcing/offshoring, and the general opinion seems to be that at best it is difficult, and at worst it fails. I have direct experience of offshoring myself; a previous company where I was a dev manager wanted to send some development offshore, and we ran a pilot scheme to see how well it would work. Of course it was a complete failure, although it is not completely clear to me whether this was down to the offshore devs being less talented, the process, or other factors (no doubt it was really a combination). I can see as a business how offshoring looks attractive (much lower day rate), but as far as I can see, the only way it could possibly work is if you do exceptionally detailed design up front, with incredibly detailed specifications; and by the time you have invested in producing that, you have probably spent as nearly as much as if you had written the actual code locally (which I think is an instance of No Silver Bullet) So, what I want to know is, does anyone here have any experience of offshoring actually working ever? Especially if there are any success stories of it working in a semi-agile way? I know there are developers here from all over the World; has anyone worked on an offshore project they consider successful?

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  • Offshoring: does it ever work?

    - by DanSingerman
    I know there has been a fair amount of discussion on here about outsourcing/offshoring, and the general opinion seems to be that at best it is difficult, and at worst it fails. I have direct experience of offshoring myself; a previous company where I was a dev manager wanted to send some development offshore, and we ran a pilot scheme to see how well it would work. Of course it was a complete failure, although it is not completely clear to me whether this was down to the offshore devs being less talented, the process, or other factors (no doubt it was really a combination). I can see as a business how offshoring looks attractive (much lower day rate), but as far as I can see, the only way it could possibly work is if you do exceptionally detailed design up front, with incredibly detailed specifications; and by the time you have invested in producing that, you have probably spent as nearly as much as if you had written the actual code locally (which I think is an instance of No Silver Bullet) So, what I want to know is, does anyone here have any experience of offshoring actually working ever? Especially if there are any success stories of it working in a semi-agile way? I know there are developers here from all over the World; has anyone worked on an offshore project they consider successful?

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  • is there evidence that offshoring is causing developer salaries to go down? [closed]

    - by jcollum
    I realize this is a controversial and political topic. I'm trying to decide if offshoring is something that is effecting our industry in any substantial way or if it's just some bugaboo. I've read various posts on SO about it, but none addressed the idea of evidence for offshoring. Studies, papers, opinions of people who know about such things etc. I hear a lot about offshoring and its effect on our job market. However it all seems to be hearsay and conjecture. It does seem like some people are genuinely worried about it. This offshoring thing has been going on for quite some time, should be enough time for some real data to come out. If I had to pick a number I'd say it started during the dotcom boom -- a time when the need for developers far outweighed the local talent pool. We're now in a time when the talent pool is expensive and corporate wallets are tight, seems like an ideal time to find a good cheap developer in some other country. But is that actually happening? From reading some posts here on SO, I've concluded that offshoring is a really tough thing to do right. There are a lot of companies who think (or say) they can do it right, but some small percentage of them are actually able to pull it off. Is offshoring affecting the job market in any measurable way? Is offshoring measurable at all? Do we need to stop worrying about this?

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  • Can an internally developed fast evolving, agile, short sprint web application lend itself to offshoring?

    - by Gavin Howden
    I have recently been set a target to achieve readiness to successfully manage and deliver results through the usage of offshore teams on our mainline development project within 12 months. Our mainline is a multi-thousand user highly available web application, and various related SAAS components delivered through the above mentioned web application. We work agile on the mainline with a rapid 1 week sprint using continuous integration. Our delivery platform is a bespoke php framework, although we have some .net services and components in the mix. My view is: an offshore team could work if we either ship out an entire isolated project for offshore development, or we specify a component for our system in huge detail up front. But we don't currently work like that, and it will conflict with the in-house method, and unless the off-shore is working within our team, with our development/deployment chain it could be an integration nightmare. So my question is, given we have a closed source bespoke framework (Private IP) which we train our developers to use, and we work agile minimising documentation, maximising communication and responding to rapidly changing requirements, and much of the quality control is via team skills building and peer review, how can I make off-shoring work on our main line development?

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  • links for 2011-02-22

    - by Bob Rhubart
    Eleven BI trends for 2011 | ITWeb Business Intelligence (tags: ping.fm) The Buttso Blathers: WebLogic Schema Files Buttso shares a link. (tags: orale weblogic) Cloud Computing & Enterprise Architecture | Open Group Blog "On the first look, it may seem like Enterprise Architecture is irrelevant in a company if your complete IT is running on Cloud Computing, SaaS and outsourcing/offshoring. I was of the same opinion last year. However, it is not the case. In fact, the complexity is going to get multiplied." (tags: opengroup cloud enterprisearchitecture) James Taylor: Change Logging Level for SOA 11g James says: "I’m sure there are many blogs out there that have this solution. But I seem to get asked this question a lot so I thought I would post it here for my convenience. (tags: oracle middleware soa) David Linthicum: The Truth behind Standards, SOA, and Cloud Computing "Most of the standards we've worked on in the world of SOA over the past several years are applicable to the world of cloud computing. Cloud computing is simply a change in platform, and the existing architectural standards we leverage should transfer nicely to the cloud computing space." - David Linthicum (tags: enterprisearchitecture soa cloud) C. Martin Harris, MD: HIMSS11 Update from the Chairman "We cannot allow ourselves to focus exclusively on near term goals. Our real goal is a technology-driven transformation of healthcare that will never stop. A true transformation is a process of lessons learned and applied, that continually open broad new horizons of opportunity." - C. Martin Harris, MD (tags: enterprisearchitecture modernization)

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  • ArchBeat Top 20 for March 25-31, 2012

    - by Bob Rhubart
    The top 20 most-clicked links as shared via my social networks for the week of March 25-31, 2012. Oracle Cloud Conference: dates and locations worldwide The One Skill All Leaders Should Work On | Scott Edinger BPM in Retail Industry | Sanjeev Sharma Oracle VM: What if you have just 1 HDD system | @yvelikanov Solution for installing the ADF 11.1.1.6.0 Runtimes onto a standalone WLS 10.3.6 | @chriscmuir Beware the 'Facebook Effect' when service-orienting information technology | @JoeMcKendrick Using Oracle VM with Amazon EC2 | @pythianfielding Oracle BPM: Adding an attachment during the Human Task Initialization | Manh-Kiet Yap When Your Influence Is Ineffective | Chris Musselwhite and Tammie Plouffe Oracle Enterprise Pack for Eclipse 12.1.1 update on OTN  A surefire recipe for cloud failure | @DavidLinthicum  IT workers bore brunt of offshoring over past decade: analysis | @JoeMcKendrick Private cloud-public cloud schism is a meaningless distraction | @DavidLinthicum Oracle Systems and Solutions at OpenWorld Tokyo 2012 Dissing Architects, or "What's wrong with the coffee?" | Bob Rhubart Validating an Oracle IDM Environment (including a Fusion Apps build out) | @FusionSecExpert Cookbook: SES and UCM setup | George Maggessy Red Samurai Tool Announcement - MDS Cleaner V2.0 | @AndrejusB OSB/OSR/OER in One Domain - QName violates loader constraints | John Graves Spring to Java EE Migration, Part 3 | @ensode Thought for the Day "Inspire action amongst your comrades by being a model to avoid." — Leon Bambrick

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  • Good workflow for website design

    - by Olav
    I would like some idea about a good workflow for Website Design, with a high degree of "offshoring" (Elance, Odesk etc.). I would to do as much as possible "pre production", with client input, ideas etc. stored in IA diagrams, wireframe mockups etc. in something like a Wiki. Also a like the idea about having different people come up with different design proposals. Wouldlike to have some ideas of costs of different phases and tasks ($, %, hours). With Design I mean roughly the aspects of a site that can be done with client-side tools, especially XHTML and CSS. What other tools should I use than IA diagrams.

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  • Leading an offshore team

    - by Chuck Conway
    I'm in a position where I am leading two teams of 4. Both teams are located in India. I am on the west coast of the U.S. I'm finding leading remote teams challenging: First, their command of the English language is weak. Second, I'm having difficultly understanding them through their accents. Third is timing, we are 12 hours apart. We use Skype to communicate. I have a month to get the project done. We've burned through a week just setting up the environments. At this point I'm considering working their hours, 11p PDT to 7a PDT, to get them up to speed, so that I can get the project off the ground. A 12 hour lag time is too much. I'm looking for steps I can take to be successful at leading an offshore team. Update The offshore team's primary task is coding, of course, most coding tasks do involve some design work. The offshore team's are composed of one lead, 2 mid level (4 to 5 years) developers and a junior (~2 years) developer. The project is classic waterfall. We've handed the offshore team a business and a technical design document. We are trying to manage the offshore in an agile way. We have daily conference calls with them and I'm requiring the teams to send me a daily scrum in the form of an email answering the following questions: What did I do today? What am I going to do tomorrow? What do I need from Chuck so I can do my job tomorrow? There is some ambiguity in the tasks. The intent was to give them enough direction for them to develop the task with out writing the code for them. I don't have a travel budget. I am using Fogbugz to track the tasks. Each task has been entered into Fogbugz and given a priority. Each team member has access to FogBugz and can choose what task they wish to complete. Related question: What can we do to improve the way outsourcing/offshoring works? Update 2 I've decided that I can not talk to the team once a day. I must work with them. Starting tonight I've started working the same hours they are. This makes me available to them when they have questions. It also allows me to gain their trust and respect. Stackoverflow question Leading an offshore team

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