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• FreeBSD Ports: How can I see all dependencies, and all dependencies for those dependencies, for a port?

  - by Stefan Lasiewski

  I'm trying to build a port which depends on apache-ant. I thought I could run make build-depends-list to see all dependencies required by this port: # make build-depends-list /usr/ports/devel/apache-ant /usr/ports/java/jdk16 /usr/ports/math/gmp But after installing everything, the port had a dependency list which was a mile long: apache-ant-1.8.1 desktop-file-utils-0.15_2 gamin-0.1.10_4 gettext-0.18.1.1 gio-fam-backend-2.26.1 glib-2.26.1_1 gmp-5.0.1 inputproto-2.0 javavmwrapper-2.3.5 kbproto-1.0.4 libX11-1.3.3_1,1 libXau-1.0.5 libXdmcp-1.0.3 libXext-1.1.1,1 libXi-1.3,1 libXtst-1.1.0 libiconv-1.13.1_1 libpthread-stubs-0.3_3 libxcb-1.7 pcre-8.12 perl-5.10.1_3 pkg-config-0.25_1 python26-2.6.6 recordproto-1.14 unzip-6.0 xextproto-7.1.1 xproto How can I see all dependencies, and all subdependencies for a port?

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• Can iptables allow Squid to process a request, then redirect the response packets to another port?

  - by Dan H

  I'm trying to test a fancy traffic analyzer app, which I have running on port 8890. My current plan is to let any HTTP request come into Squid, on port 3128, and let it process the request, and then just before it sends the response back, use iptables to redirect the response packets (leaving port 3128) to port 8890. I've researched this all night, and tried many iptables commands, but I'm missing something and my hair is falling out. I thought something like this would work: iptables -t nat -A OUTPUT -p tcp --sport 3128 -j REDIRECT --to-ports 8990 This rule gets created ok, but it never redirects anything. Is this even possible? If so, what iptables incantation could do it? If not, any idea what might work on a single host, given multiple remote browser clients?

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• how can make transparent proxy on more than one port?

  - by ermya

  i want to make transparent proxy with linux ( centos) , i want all incoming connection on port 1000 - 2000 on eth0 forward to eth1 on port 1000 - 2000 in transparent mode i have 2 server 1- linux ( proxy server) 2- windows i want protect my windows server with my linux server firewall also i must make transparent proxy with my linux server linux server have 2 interface one for public network an another for private network connected to windows server so all incoming connection must connect to the linux server (at eth0 public network) first and after checking , must forward to the windows server on private network (with linux interface eth1 ) i can use squid for making transparent proxy but i dont know how i must config the squid for multi port because i want listen in more than 1000 ports for example from port 1000 to 2000 anyone know how can i do ?

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• How do I programatically determine which port a SQL Server is running on?

  - by Ralph Willgoss

  How do I programatically determine which port a SQL Server is running on?/*Wrapper script for xp_readerrorlogAuthor: Ralph WillgossDate: 2nd Oct 2012This script cycles through all logs files, looking for the listening port.Normally you have to specify the log file one by one, the script removes the need for that.Param ref for: xp_readerrorlog1. Value of error log file you want to read: 0 = current, 1 = Archive #1, 2 = Archive #2, etc...2. Log file type: 1 or NULL = error log, 2 = SQL Agent log3. Search string 1: String one you want to search for4. Search string 2: String two you want to search for to further refine the results5. Search from start time6. Search to end time7. Sort order for results: N'asc' = ascending, N'desc' = descending*/USE MasterGO--  Get log countDECLARE @logcount intDROP TABLE #ResultCREATE TABLE #Result (ArchiveNo int, Date datetime, Size int)INSERT INTO #ResultEXEC xp_enumerrorlogsSET @logcount = (SELECT COUNT(*) FROM #Result)-- Search the available logsDECLARE @counter intSET @counter = 0WHILE @counter <= @logcountBEGIN   EXEC xp_readerrorlog @counter, 1, N'Server is listening on', 'any', NULL, NULL, N'asc'   SET @counter = @counter + 1ENDGO

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• FreeBSD Ports: How can I see all dependencies for a port, and all subdependencies for those dependencies?

  - by Stefan Lasiewski

  I'm trying to build a port which depends on apache-ant. I thought I could run make build-depends-list to see all dependencies required by this port: # make build-depends-list /usr/ports/devel/apache-ant /usr/ports/java/jdk16 /usr/ports/math/gmp But after installing everything, the port had a dependency list which was a mile long: apache-ant-1.8.1 desktop-file-utils-0.15_2 gamin-0.1.10_4 gettext-0.18.1.1 gio-fam-backend-2.26.1 glib-2.26.1_1 gmp-5.0.1 inputproto-2.0 javavmwrapper-2.3.5 kbproto-1.0.4 libX11-1.3.3_1,1 libXau-1.0.5 libXdmcp-1.0.3 libXext-1.1.1,1 libXi-1.3,1 libXtst-1.1.0 libiconv-1.13.1_1 libpthread-stubs-0.3_3 libxcb-1.7 pcre-8.12 perl-5.10.1_3 pkg-config-0.25_1 python26-2.6.6 recordproto-1.14 unzip-6.0 xextproto-7.1.1 xproto How can I see all dependencies, and all subdependencies for a port?

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• How do I hide the port Apache2 is using from the browser?

  - by jpartogi

  HI all, I am currently using nginx as front-end proxy for Apache. I have setup nginx to use port 80 and Apache to use 8080. But after nginx redirected the request to Apache, the port 8080 is visible from the browser. Is there any way this port can be hidden and not visible because it would be very ugly for users that wants to bookmark it. THanks in advance for your help.

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• How can I connect to a CIFS/SMB share on a non-default port?

  - by fsckin

  I'm trying to get a contractor connected to a CIFS share (port 445). He's not a big shop (so no go on using VPN). His ISP blocks outgoing connections on port 445. I've been doing some rsync to ftp madness as a workaround to have the share available to him, but it's getting out of control -- we're syncing nearly 40GB a day to an external ftp site and it's going to be much easier just to have him connect and only grab the stuff he needs. So... I can have the CIFS share open to the internet (filtered to allow access to his IP only) on port 446. How the heck can he connect to that? I looked through "net use" and didn't see anything about using another port.

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• How can I find out if a port is opened or not?

  - by Roman

  I have installed Apache server on my Windows 7 computer. I was able to display the default index.php by typing http://localhost/ in the address line of my browser. However, I am still unable to see this page by typing IP address of my computer (neither locally (from the same computer) no globally (from another computer connected to the Internet)). I was told that I need to open port 80. I did it (in a way described here) but it did not solve the problem. First of all I would like to check which ports are opened and which are not. For example I am not sure that my port 80 was closed before I tried to open. I am also not sure that it is opened after I tried to open it. I tried to run a very simple web server written in Python. For that I used port 81 and it worked! And I did not try to open the port 81. So, it was opened by default. So, if 81 is opened by default, why 80 is not? Or it is? ADDITIONAL INFORMATION: 1. In my httpd.conf file I have "Listen 80". 2. This site tells me that port 80 on my computer is opened. 3. I get different responses if I try http://myip:80 and http://myip:81. In the last case browser (Chrome) writes me that link is broken. In the first case I get: Forbidden You don't have permission to access / on this server. 4. IE writes that "The website declined to show this webpage".

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• Multiple SSL domains on the same IP address and same port?

  - by johnlai2004

  I set up an ubuntu 9.10 - apache2 - php5 server. I was under the impression that each valid SSL certificate (no domain wild cards) required it's own unique IP address and port number combination. But the answer to a previous question I posted is at odds with this claim: http://serverfault.com/questions/109766/ssl-site-not-using-the-correct-ip-in-apache-and-ubuntu Using the accepted answer, I was able to get multiple domains, each with it's own valid SSL to work on the same IP address and on port 443. I am very confused as to why the above answer works, especially after hearing from others that each SSL domain website on the same server requires its own IP+port combination. I am suspicious that I did something wrong. Can someone clear up the confusion? Websites currently using different SSL but on the same IP and Port are: https://www.yummyskin.com/ https://staging.bossystem.org/

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• On VMWare Server, how can I specify which Ethernet port should be the one to be bridged?

  - by DrDavid

  My server has 4 ethernet ports; 1 uses a APIPA address to connect to a DroboElite (that's how they're designed to work), 1 is connected to the LAN, and the other two are unused currently. The issue is that VMWare Server seems to have an affinity to the port that's connected to the Drobo, which means that it can never reach the internet. If I disable the Drobo port, everything works just fine. If I enable the drobo port, nothing works (well, the drobo works, but the virtual machine doesn't ;) ) How can I tell VMWare Server to NOT use the drobo port when I'm bridging the connection?

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• How can I unbind a UDP port that has no entry in lsof?

  - by Chocohound

  On my Mac, I have a UDP port that is "already in use", but doesn't have an associated process: sudo netstat -na | grep "udp.*\.500\>" shows udp4 0 0 192.168.50.181.500 *.* udp4 0 0 192.168.29.166.500 *.* sudo lsof doesn't show a process on port 500 (ie sudo lsof -i:500 -P reports nothing). Note I'm using 'sudo' on both commands so it should show all processes. (rebooting works, but looking for something less disruptive) How can I unbind port 500 so I can use it again?

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• Simple way to set up port knocking on Linux?

  - by Ace Paus

  There are well known benefits of Port Knocking utilities when utilized in combination with firewall IP table modification. Port Knocking is best used to provide an additional layer of security over other tools such as the OpenSSH server. I would like some help setting it up on a ubuntu server. I looked at some port knocking implementations here: PORTKNOCKING - A system for stealthy authentication across closed ports. IMPLEMENTATIONS http://www.portknocking.org/view/implementations fwknop looked good. I found an Android client here. And fwknop (both client and server) is in the ubuntu repos. Unfortunately, setting it up (on the server) looks difficult. I do not have iptables set up. My proficiency with iptables is limited (but I understand the basics). I'm looking for a series of simple steps to set it up. I only want to open the SSH port in response to a valid knock. Alternatively, I would consider other port knocking implementations, if they are much simpler to set up and the desired Linux and Android clients are available.

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• How do I run both Tomcat and PHP on Linux on port 80?

  - by Michael Gaylord

  I would like to host both Tomcat and PHP on port 80 on Linux and I have 2 IP addresses available. I am only using PHP so that I can host some mailing list software, I can map it to newsletter.mydomain.com. So my question is, is it possible to run Tomcat on port 80 on 1 IP address and Apache on port 80 on another IP address?

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• How to calculate square root in PHP [explained] [on hold]

  - by Enes Imsirovic

  At first code ! Don't forget embed the JQuery ! <html> <head> <title>Simple jQuery and PHP Square Root example</title> <script src="js/jquery-1.10.1.js" type="text/javascript"></script> <script type="text/javascript"> $(document).ready(function() { $('#form').submit(function(){ var number = $('#number').val(); $.ajax({type:"post",url:"calculate.php",data:"number=" +number,success:function(msg){$('#result').hide(); $("#result").html("<h3>" + msg + "</h3>").fadeIn("slow"); } }); return false; }); }); </script> </head> <body> <form id="form" action="calculate.php" method="post"> Enter number: <input id="number" type="text" name="number" /> <input id="submit" type="submit" value="Calculate Square Root" name="submit"/> </form> <p id="result"></p> </body> </html> Second code witch would be connected with first : calculate.php <?php if($_POST['number']==null){ echo "Please Enter a Number"; }else { if (!is_numeric($_POST['number'])) { echo "Please enter only numbers"; }else{ echo "Square Root of " .$_POST['number'] ." is ".sqrt($_POST['number']); } } ?> Chiefly for begginers, to see the power of PHP :) xD Load this on your localhost.. PHP files and JS : https://mega.co.nz/#!Et8zWSBb!KX2PFxa2Pzw_l-wi6QU8xi_eKTlHbtQuBsT_DvXrifk At least it look like this : http://imgur.com/vNnDRQ3

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• How do I count the times each number appears in columns of numbers?

  - by Andy C.

  I am sure this must be easy, but I am inexperienced. About the best way to think of my problem is to think of it as trying to sort and then count lottery numbers. To stay simple, let's do a Pick 3 game. Let's look at 10 drawings. I would split each drawn number into a separate column: DATE BALL#1 BALL#2 BALL#3 3/1 1 3 5 3/2 3 7 8 3/3 2 2 1 3/4 5 7 6 3/5 2 3 1 3/6 0 5 9 3/7 3 7 0 3/8 6 8 4 3/9 2 4 3 3/10 7 1 2 I would like to be able to build formulas into cells that would tell me how many times each number appeared overall, and how many times each number appeared in the position it occurred. Like this (using the above example): Number Overall Count Ball#1 Count Ball#2 Count Ball#3 Count 0 2 1 0 1 1 4 1 1 2 (That is, The number zero appears twice overall, and came up once as the first number drawn; zero times as the middle ball; and once as the third ball. Likewise, the number 1 was drawn four times in our 10-day period. It was the first ball once, the second ball once and the third ball twice.) And so on. All help appreciated. I have access to Excel and Microsoft Works, or of course if there is a Google Docs way to handle this All thanks for any help.

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• Have to run auto-negotiate between clients and switch - "old" switch works fine - "new" switch results in "port flapping"?

  - by ConfusedAboutSwitching

  I need some help understanding a problem we're having at work: We run Altiris/Deployment Solution and have to use auto-negotiate between client systems and our switches (Altiris apparently requires this for imaging, PXE boot and other functions). We have several areas with old wiring (Cat 3 & Cat 5) that have old 10/100 Cisco switches in them - and we can set these systems up to "auto/auto" (auto-negotiate on both the NIC and the switch port), and everything has been working fine. But - our networking crew changed out a couple of old switches for 10/100/1000 Cisco switches, and now - they are claiming that "auto/auto" won't work because the switches can't auto-negotiate the way the old 10/100 switches did - and that if we try to set the new gig switches to auto-negotiate, the switch port starts "port flapping", and shuts the port down. But - if we put the old switch back in - they work using "auto/auto" just fine - no port flapping. The networking crew is telling me that the problem is that we're putting "new switches" on "old wire", and that the old cabling can't/won't support the auto-negotiation with these new switches....??? There's something about this that doesn't make sense to me - can someone explain this to me? Or is our networking crew just doing something wrong in the configuration of these new switches? While will the old switches work "auto/auto", but the new switches won't?? HELP!!....and Thanks!! M

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• After making boot disk using rufus in usb 3.0 port, it doesn't work in another ports.

  - by sin

  I have a big problem! After making boot disk using rufus in usb 3.0 port, it doesn't work in another ports. I have to install windows in other PC which has usb 2.0port only! so I made usb booting disk using usb 3.0 in 3.0 port. but after that it never worked except in 3.0 ... and I could't restore my usb. I alredy fomated in cmd and others in usb3.0 port! but there is no change. and I couldn't find it in usb 2.0 port. plz help me.

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• Which process is using a port in OS X?

  - by Zubair

  I'm trying to start a program in OS X and I get the message: Port already in use: 8080 I tried LSOF to find out who is using the port but it doesn't have the information. Is there any way I can find out who is using this port so that I can then kill the process?

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• Why mysql 5.5 slower than 5.1 (linux,using mysqlslap)

  - by Zenofo

  my.cnf (5.5 and 5.1 is the same) : back_log=200 max_connections=512 max_connect_errors=999999 key_buffer=512M max_allowed_packet=8M table_cache=512 sort_buffer=8M read_buffer_size=8M thread_cache=8 thread_concurrency=4 myisam_sort_buffer_size=128M interactive_timeout=28800 wait_timeout=7200 mysql 5.5: ..mysql5.5/bin/mysqlslap -a --concurrency=10 --number-of-queries 5000 --iterations=5 -S /tmp/mysql_5.5.sock --engine=innodb Benchmark Running for engine innodb Average number of seconds to run all queries: 15.156 seconds Minimum number of seconds to run all queries: 15.031 seconds Maximum number of seconds to run all queries: 15.296 seconds Number of clients running queries: 10 Average number of queries per client: 500 mysql5.1: ..mysql5.5/bin/mysqlslap -a --concurrency=10 --number-of-queries 5000 --iterations=5 -S /tmp/mysql_5.1.sock --engine=innodb Benchmark Running for engine innodb Average number of seconds to run all queries: 13.252 seconds Minimum number of seconds to run all queries: 13.019 seconds Maximum number of seconds to run all queries: 13.480 seconds Number of clients running queries: 10 Average number of queries per client: 500 Why mysql 5.5 slower than 5.1 ? BTW:I'm tried mysql5.5/bin/mysqlslap and mysql5.1/bin/mysqlslap,result is the same

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• JQgrid - Get Row Number instead of ID

  - by mariojjsimoes

  Hello, all, I am creating a JQGrid from a database table that does not contain a single field primary key. Therefore, the field i am supplying as id is not unique and the same one exists in several rows. Because of this, when passing a reference to the data with ondblClickRow to a function external to the grid i need to use the rownumber and not the id. To test, I'm using ondblClickRow: function(id){alert($("#grid1").getInd('rowid'));}, , and i should be getting and alert with the row number, except that it isn't working. I've been over the documentation and can't understand what i am doing wrong... Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance, Mario. Bellow is my full grid: jQuery(document).ready(function(){ var mygrid = jQuery("#grid1").jqGrid({ datatype: 'xmlstring', datastr : grid1RsXML, width: 1024, height: 500, colNames:['DEVICE_ID','JOB_SIZE_IN_BYTES', 'USER_NAME','HOST_NAME','DAY_OF_WEEK','JOB_ID'], colModel:[ {name:'DEVICE_ID',index:'DEVICE_ID', width:55, sortable:true}, {name:'JOB_SIZE_IN_BYTES',index:'JOB_SIZE_IN_BYTES', width:40, sortable:true}, {name:'USER_NAME',index:'USER_NAME', width:60, sortable:true}, {name:'HOST_NAME',index:'HOST_NAME', width:50,align:"right", sortable:true}, {name:'DAY_OF_WEEK',index:'DAY_OF_WEEK', width:10, sortable:true}, {name:'JOB_ID',index:'JOB_ID', width:30, sortable:true} ], rowNum:1000, autowidth: true, //rowList:[10,20,30], rowList:[1], pager: '#grid1Pager', sortname: 'DEVICE_ID', viewrecords: true, rownumbers: true, sortorder: "desc", sortable: true, gridview : true, xmlReader: { root : "recordset", row: "record", repeatitems: false, id: "DEVICE_ID" }, caption:"All Jobs - Double Click for detailed history", ondblClickRow: function(id){alert($("#grid1").getInd('rowid'));}, toolbar: [true,"top"], url: grid1RsXML });

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• Boost.Program_options fixed number of tokens

  - by kloffy

  Boost.Program_options provides a facility to pass multiple tokens via command line arguments as follows: std::vector<int> nums; po::options_description desc("Allowed options"); desc.add_options() ("help", "Produce help message.") ("nums", po::value< std::vector<int> >(&nums)->multitoken(), "Numbers.") ; po::variables_map vm; po::store(po::parse_command_line(argc, argv, desc), vm); po::notify(vm); However, what is the preferred way of accepting only a fixed number of arguments? The only solution I could come is to manually assign values: int nums[2]; po::options_description desc("Allowed options"); desc.add_options() ("help", "Produce help message.") ("nums", "Numbers.") ; po::variables_map vm; po::store(po::parse_command_line(argc, argv, desc), vm); if (vm.count("nums")) { // Assign nums } This feels a bit clumsy. Is there a better solution?

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• c++ generate a good random seed for psudo random number generators

  - by posop

  I am trying to generate a good random seed for a psudo-random number generator. I thought I'd get the expert's opinions. let me know if this is a bad way of doing it or if there are much better ways. #include <iostream> #include <cstdlib> #include <fstream> #include <ctime> unsigned int good_seed() { unsigned int random_seed, random_seed_a, random_seed_b; std::ifstream file ("/dev/random", std::ios::binary); if (file.is_open()) { char * memblock; int size = sizeof(int); memblock = new char [size]; file.read (memblock, size); file.close(); random_seed_a = int(memblock); delete[] memblock; }// end if else { random_seed_a = 0; } random_seed_b = std::time(0); random_seed = random_seed_a xor random_seed_b; return random_seed; } // end good_seed()

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• MD5 wrong number of arguments (1 for 0) Error

  - by Salil

  Hi All, I have following error on my Server which is working properly on my local on following line . event_id = MD5.new("event-init-flash-#{Asteroid::now}").to_s #line 232 ERROR: wrong number of arguments (1 for 0) /ruby/gems/gems/shooting_star-3.2.7/bin/../lib/shooting_star/server.rb:232:in initialize' /ruby/gems/gems/shooting_star-3.2.7/bin/../lib/shooting_star/server.rb:232:in new' /ruby/gems/gems/shooting_star-3.2.7/bin/../lib/shooting_star/server.rb:232:in make_flash_connection' /ruby/gems/gems/shooting_star-3.2.7/bin/../lib/shooting_star/server.rb:70:in receive_data' /ruby/gems/gems/shooting_star-3.2.7/bin/../lib/shooting_star.rb:87:in run' /ruby/gems/gems/shooting_star-3.2.7/bin/../lib/shooting_star.rb:87:in start' /ruby/gems/gems/shooting_star-3.2.7/bin/shooting_star:61 /ruby/gems/bin/shooting_star:19:in `load' /ruby/gems/bin/shooting_star:19 POST /10 HTTP/1.1 Host: 67.222.55.30:8080 Content-length: 103 I used shooting_star to create an Chat Application. Ref:- http://github.com/genki/shooting-star Following are the REQUIREMENTS of the shooting_star Linux or xBSD OS having epoll or kqueue. Increase ulimit of nofile up to over 100,000. (edit /etc/security/limits.conf file.) prototype.js 1.5.0+ Ruby 1.8.5+ Ruby on Rails 1.2.0+ My Local Configuration are O.S Linux Ruby ruby 1.8.6 (2009-08-04 patchlevel 383) [i386-linux] Rails 2.3.4 shooting_star 3.2.7 prototype.js 1.6.0.3 My Server Configuration are O.S Linux Ruby ruby 1.8.6 (2009-08-04 patchlevel 383) [x86_64-linux] Rails 2.3.4 shooting_star 3.2.7 prototype.js 1.6.0.3 I just want to know what is the problem why it's not working on server if everything is fine in local. Regards, Salil Gaikwad

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• no statement parsed and wrong number or types of arguments - cfstoredproc

  - by Travis

  I have an Oracle procedure - editBacklog which I'm calling from a CFM page via cfstoredproc. After several changes to the procedure I started getting ORA-06550: line 1, column 7: PLS-00306: wrong number or types of arguments in call to 'EDITBACKLOG'. I've gotten this before and found that if I changed the name of the procedure it starts working again. I changed the name to editBacklog2 and it worked as I expected it to. I changed the name back to editBacklog and got the same error. I changed the name back to editBacklog2 again and started getting ORA-01003: no statement parsed. NOTHING has changed at this point except for the names. I changed the name yet again to editBacklog3 and it works as expected. As of right now editBacklog = ORA-06550 editBacklog2 = ORA-01003 editBacklog3 = works (kinda) This whole thing started when I was trying to fix an ORA-01821: date format not recognized error. I fear when I start changing things I'll start getting the same lame behavior described above. Either Oracle or CF is messing with me and I'll end up liking one of them less because of it. I assume it's probably cfstoredproc caching metadata or something but neither google, livedocs, or OTN have much to say about my situation. I'm not the SA or DBA. Anyone have any ideas?

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• How can parallelism affect number of results?

  - by spender

  I have a fairly complex query that looks something like this: create table Items(SomeOtherTableID int,SomeField int) create table SomeOtherTable(Id int,GroupID int) with cte1 as ( select SomeOtherTableID,COUNT(*) SubItemCount from Items t where t.SomeField is not null group by SomeOtherTableID ),cte2 as ( select tc.SomeOtherTableID,ROW_NUMBER() over (partition by a.GroupID order by tc.SubItemCount desc) SubItemRank from Items t inner join SomeOtherTable a on a.Id=t.SomeOtherTableID inner join cte1 tc on tc.SomeOtherTableID=t.SomeOtherTableID where t.SomeField is not null ),cte3 as ( select SomeOtherTableID from cte2 where SubItemRank=1 ) select * from cte3 t1 inner join cte3 t2 on t1.SomeOtherTableID<t2.SomeOtherTableID option (maxdop 1) The query is such that cte3 is filled with 6222 distinct results. In the final select, I am performing a cross join on cte3 with itself, (so that I can compare every value in the table with every other value in the table at a later point). Notice the final line : option (maxdop 1) Apparently, this switches off parallelism. So, with 6222 results rows in cte3, I would expect (6222*6221)/2, or 19353531 results in the subsequent cross joining select, and with the final maxdop line in place, that is indeed the case. However, when I remove the maxdop line, the number of results jumps to 19380454. I have 4 cores on my dev box. WTF? Can anyone explain why this is? Do I need to reconsider previous queries that cross join in this way?

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