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  • Solaris: What comes next?

    - by alanc
    As you probably know by now, a few months ago, we released Solaris 11 after years of development. That of course means we now need to figure out what comes next - if Solaris 11 is “The First Cloud OS”, then what do we need to make future releases of Solaris be, to be modern and competitive when they're released? So we've been having planning and brainstorming meetings, and I've captured some notes here from just one of those we held a couple weeks ago with a number of the Silicon Valley based engineers. Now before someone sees an idea here and calls their product rep wanting to know what's up, please be warned what follows are rough ideas, and as I'll discuss later, none of them have any committment, schedule, working code, or even plan for integration in any possible future product at this time. (Please don't make me force you to read the full Oracle future product disclaimer here, you should know it by heart already from the front of every Oracle product slide deck.) To start with, we did some background research, looking at ideas from other Oracle groups, and competitive OS'es. We examined what was hot in the technology arena and where the interesting startups were heading. We then looked at Solaris to see where we could apply those ideas. Making Network Admins into Socially Networking Admins We all know an admin who has grumbled about being the only one stuck late at work to fix a problem on the server, or having to work the weekend alone to do scheduled maintenance. But admins are humans (at least most are), and crave companionship and community with their fellow humans. And even when they're alone in the server room, they're never far from a network connection, allowing access to the wide world of wonders on the Internet. Our solution here is not building a new social network - there's enough of those already, and Oracle even has its own Oracle Mix social network already. What we proposed is integrating Solaris features to help engage our system admins with these social networks, building community and bringing them recognition in the workplace, using achievement recognition systems as found in many popular gaming platforms. For instance, if you had a Facebook account, and a group of admin friends there, you could register it with our Social Network Utility For Facebook, and then your friends might see: Alan earned the achievement Critically Patched (April 2012) for patching all his servers. Matt is only at 50% - encourage him to complete this achievement today! To avoid any undue risk of advertising who has unpatched servers that are easier targets for hackers to break into, this information would be tightly protected via Facebook's world-renowned privacy settings to avoid it falling into the wrong hands. A related form of gamification we considered was replacing simple certfications with role-playing-game-style Experience Levels. Instead of just knowing an admin passed a test establishing a given level of competency, these would provide recruiters with a more detailed level of how much real-world experience an admin has. Achievements such as the one above would feed into it, but larger numbers of experience points would be gained by tougher or more critical tasks - such as recovering a down system, or migrating a service to a new platform. (As long as it was an Oracle platform of course - migrating to an HP or IBM platform would cause the admin to lose points with us.) Unfortunately, we couldn't figure out a good way to prevent (if you will) “gaming” the system. For instance, a disgruntled admin might decide to start ignoring warnings from FMA that a part is beginning to fail or skip preventative maintenance, in the hopes that they'd cause a catastrophic failure to earn more points for bolstering their resume as they look for a job elsewhere, and not worrying about the effect on your business of a mission critical server going down. More Z's for ZFS Our suggested new feature for ZFS was inspired by the worlds most successful Z-startup of all time: Zynga. Using the Social Network Utility For Facebook described above, we'd tie it in with ZFS monitoring to help you out when you find yourself in a jam needing more disk space than you have, and can't wait a month to get a purchase order through channels to buy more. Instead with the click of a button you could post to your group: Alan can't find any space in his server farm! Can you help? Friends could loan you some space on their connected servers for a few weeks, knowing that you'd return the favor when needed. ZFS would create a new filesystem for your use on their system, and securely share it with your system using Kerberized NFS. If none of your friends have space, then you could buy temporary use space in small increments at affordable rates right there in Facebook, using your Facebook credits, and then file an expense report later, after the urgent need has passed. Universal Single Sign On One thing all the engineers agreed on was that we still had far too many "Single" sign ons to deal with in our daily work. On the web, every web site used to have its own password database, forcing us to hope we could remember what login name was still available on each site when we signed up, and which unique password we came up with to avoid having to disclose our other passwords to a new site. In recent years, the web services world has finally been reducing the number of logins we have to manage, with many services allowing you to login using your identity from Google, Twitter or Facebook. So we proposed following their lead, introducing PAM modules for web services - no more would you have to type in whatever login name IT assigned and try to remember the password you chose the last time password aging forced you to change it - you'd simply choose which web service you wanted to authenticate against, and would login to your Solaris account upon reciept of a cookie from their identity service. Pinning notes to the cloud We also all noted that we all have our own pile of notes we keep in our daily work - in text files in our home directory, in notebooks we carry around, on white boards in offices and common areas, on sticky notes on our monitors, or on scraps of paper pinned to our bulletin boards. The contents of the notes vary, some are things just for us, some are useful for our groups, some we would share with the world. For instance, when our group moved to a new building a couple years ago, we had a white board in the hallway listing all the NIS & DNS servers, subnets, and other network configuration information we needed to set up our Solaris machines after the move. Similarly, as Solaris 11 was finishing and we were all learning the new network configuration commands, we shared notes in wikis and e-mails with our fellow engineers. Users may also remember one of the popular features of Sun's old BigAdmin site was a section for sharing scripts and tips such as these. Meanwhile, the online "pin board" at Pinterest is taking the web by storm. So we thought, why not mash those up to solve this problem? We proposed a new BigAddPin site where users could “pin” notes, command snippets, configuration information, and so on. For instance, once they had worked out the ideal Automated Installation manifest for their app server, they could pin it up to share with the rest of their group, or choose to make it public as an example for the world. Localized data, such as our group's notes on the servers for our subnet, could be shared only to users connecting from that subnet. And notes that they didn't want others to see at all could be marked private, such as the list of phone numbers to call for late night pizza delivery to the machine room, the birthdays and anniversaries they can never remember but would be sleeping on the couch if they forgot, or the list of automatically generated completely random, impossible to remember root passwords to all their servers. For greater integration with Solaris, we'd put support right into the command shells — redirect output to a pinned note, set your path to include pinned notes as scripts you can run, or bring up your recent shell history and pin a set of commands to save for the next time you need to remember how to do that operation. Location service for Solaris servers A longer term plan would involve convincing the hardware design groups to put GPS locators with wireless transmitters in future server designs. This would help both admins and service personnel trying to find servers in todays massive data centers, and could feed into location presence apps to help show potential customers that while they may not see many Solaris machines on the desktop any more, they are all around. For instance, while walking down Wall Street it might show “There are over 2000 Solaris computers in this block.” [Note: this proposal was made before the recent media coverage of a location service aggregrator app with less noble intentions, and in hindsight, we failed to consider what happens when such data similarly falls into the wrong hands. We certainly wouldn't want our app to be misinterpreted as “There are over $20 million dollars of SPARC servers in this building, waiting for you to steal them.” so it's probably best it was rejected.] Harnessing the power of the GPU for Security Most modern OS'es make use of the widespread availability of high powered GPU hardware in today's computers, with desktop environments requiring 3-D graphics acceleration, whether in Ubuntu Unity, GNOME Shell on Fedora, or Aero Glass on Windows, but we haven't yet made Solaris fully take advantage of this, beyond our basic offering of Compiz on the desktop. Meanwhile, more businesses are interested in increasing security by using biometric authentication, but must also comply with laws in many countries preventing discrimination against employees with physical limations such as missing eyes or fingers, not to mention the lost productivity when employees can't login due to tinted contacts throwing off a retina scan or a paper cut changing their fingerprint appearance until it heals. Fortunately, the two groups considering these problems put their heads together and found a common solution, using 3D technology to enable authentication using the one body part all users are guaranteed to have - pam_phrenology.so, a new PAM module that uses an array USB attached web cams (or just one if the user is willing to spin their chair during login) to take pictures of the users head from all angles, create a 3D model and compare it to the one in the authentication database. While Mythbusters has shown how easy it can be to fool common fingerprint scanners, we have not yet seen any evidence that people can impersonate the shape of another user's cranium, no matter how long they spend beating their head against the wall to reshape it. This could possibly be extended to group users, using modern versions of some of the older phrenological studies, such as giving all users with long grey beards access to the System Architect role, or automatically placing users with pointy spikes in their hair into an easy use mode. Unfortunately, there are still some unsolved technical challenges we haven't figured out how to overcome. Currently, a visit to the hair salon causes your existing authentication to expire, and some users have found that shaving their heads is the only way to avoid bad hair days becoming bad login days. Reaction to these ideas After gathering all our notes on these ideas from the engineering brainstorming meeting, we took them in to present to our management. Unfortunately, most of their reaction cannot be printed here, and they chose not to accept any of these ideas as they were, but they did have some feedback for us to consider as they sent us back to the drawing board. They strongly suggested our ideas would be better presented if we weren't trying to decipher ink blotches that had been smeared by the condensation when we put our pint glasses on the napkins we were taking notes on, and to that end let us know they would not be approving any more engineering offsites in Irish themed pubs on the Friday of a Saint Patrick's Day weekend. (Hopefully they mean that situation specifically and aren't going to deny the funding for travel to this year's X.Org Developer's Conference just because it happens to be in Bavaria and ending on the Friday of the weekend Oktoberfest starts.) They recommended our research techniques could be improved over just sitting around reading blogs and checking our Facebook, Twitter, and Pinterest accounts, such as considering input from alternate viewpoints on topics such as gamification. They also mentioned that Oracle hadn't fully adopted some of Sun's common practices and we might have to try harder to get those to be accepted now that we are one unified company. So as I said at the beginning, don't pester your sales rep just yet for any of these, since they didn't get approved, but if you have better ideas, pass them on and maybe they'll get into our next batch of planning.

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  • Why is the upgrade manager freezing when upgrading to 13.10

    - by Nil
    Earlier today I started to upgrade to 13.10 only to return much much later and notice that the update manager was still running. It seems to be frozen and I am reluctant to hit ctrl+C. I can't launch nautilus using the icon on the launcher. When I try to run it via the terminal, this is what happens: $ nautilus Could not register the application: GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such interface `org.gtk.Actions' on object at path /org/gnome/Nautilus My printers aren't showing up when I attempt to print. I don't know whether these a symptoms of the same problem. Should I let the update manage continue to run, or should I shut it down? Here are the processes running if it is any help: $ ps aux USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 1 0.0 0.2 5920 4072 ? Ss Oct18 0:02 /sbin/init root 2 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [kthreadd] root 3 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:31 [ksoftirqd/0] root 5 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [kworker/0:0H] root 6 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [kworker/u:0] root 7 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [kworker/u:0H] root 8 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [migration/0] root 9 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [rcu_bh] root 10 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:54 [rcu_sched] root 11 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [watchdog/0] root 12 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [watchdog/1] root 13 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:43 [ksoftirqd/1] root 14 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [migration/1] root 16 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [kworker/1:0H] root 17 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [cpuset] root 18 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [khelper] root 19 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [kdevtmpfs] root 20 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [netns] root 21 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [bdi-default] root 22 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [kintegrityd] root 23 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [kblockd] root 24 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [ata_sff] root 25 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [khubd] root 26 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [md] root 27 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [devfreq_wq] root 29 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [khungtaskd] root 30 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:09 [kswapd0] root 31 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN Oct18 0:00 [ksmd] root 32 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? SN Oct18 0:00 [khugepaged] root 33 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [fsnotify_mark] root 34 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [ecryptfs-kthre root 35 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [crypto] root 46 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [kthrotld] root 49 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [binder] root 69 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [deferwq] root 70 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [charger_manage root 166 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [scsi_eh_0] root 167 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [scsi_eh_1] root 188 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [scsi_eh_2] root 244 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [kworker/u:4] root 245 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [ttm_swap] root 260 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [scsi_eh_3] root 266 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [scsi_eh_4] root 267 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 1:08 [usb-storage] root 268 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [scsi_eh_5] root 269 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:06 [usb-storage] root 302 0.0 0.0 2904 504 ? S 14:11 0:00 upstart-udev-br root 305 0.0 0.0 12080 1632 ? Ss 14:11 0:00 /lib/systemd/sy root 329 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:24 [jbd2/sda2-8] root 330 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [ext4-dio-unwri root 352 0.0 0.0 2944 4 ? S Oct18 0:00 /sbin/ureadahea root 440 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:05 [flush-8:0] root 734 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [cfg80211] root 761 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [kpsmoused] root 780 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [pccardd] root 784 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [kvm-irqfd-clea root 902 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [hd-audio0] syslog 916 0.0 0.0 31120 680 ? Sl Oct18 0:13 rsyslogd -c5 102 1010 0.0 0.1 4344 1988 ? Ss Oct18 0:04 dbus-daemon --s root 1061 0.0 0.0 4844 924 ? Ss Oct18 0:00 /usr/sbin/bluet root 1077 0.0 0.0 2268 388 ? Ss Oct18 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/in root 1079 0.0 0.0 4664 484 tty4 Ss+ Oct18 0:00 /sbin/getty -8 root 1087 0.0 0.0 4664 484 tty5 Ss+ Oct18 0:00 /sbin/getty -8 root 1089 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [krfcommd] root 1098 0.0 0.0 4664 484 tty2 Ss+ Oct18 0:00 /sbin/getty -8 root 1099 0.0 0.1 4408 2076 tty3 Ss Oct18 0:00 /bin/login -- root 1101 0.0 0.0 4664 484 tty6 Ss+ Oct18 0:00 /sbin/getty -8 root 1168 0.0 0.0 2780 524 ? Ss Oct18 0:00 cron daemon 1169 0.0 0.0 2636 212 ? Ss Oct18 0:00 atd root 1183 0.0 0.0 34872 1448 ? SLsl Oct18 0:00 lightdm root 1249 0.0 0.0 3536 468 ? S Oct18 0:00 /bin/bash /etc/ root 1254 4.2 2.2 125832 40040 tty7 Rsl+ Oct18 81:27 /usr/bin/X :0 - root 1261 0.0 0.0 2268 344 ? S Oct18 0:00 /bin/sh /etc/ac root 1265 0.0 0.1 42004 2836 ? Ssl Oct18 0:01 NetworkManager root 1272 0.0 0.0 2268 376 ? S Oct18 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/sb root 1286 0.0 0.3 30616 5824 ? Sl Oct18 0:05 /usr/lib/policy root 1304 0.0 0.0 2268 372 ? D Oct18 0:00 /bin/sh /usr/li root 1360 0.0 0.0 5532 560 ? S Oct18 0:00 /sbin/dhclient nobody 1368 0.0 0.0 5476 784 ? S Oct18 0:00 /usr/sbin/dnsma root 1514 0.0 0.1 34036 1932 ? Sl Oct18 0:01 /usr/lib/accoun root 1530 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S Oct18 0:00 [kauditd] root 1536 0.0 0.1 30480 2260 ? Sl Oct18 0:01 /usr/sbin/conso root 1653 0.0 0.1 28908 2104 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/upower root 1698 0.0 0.0 17464 1388 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 lightdm --sessi rtkit 1750 0.0 0.0 21368 696 ? SNl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/rtkit/ 1000 1844 0.0 0.1 88116 2320 ? SLl Oct18 0:00 /usr/bin/gnome- 1000 1855 0.0 0.3 73076 5884 ? Ssl Oct18 0:00 gnome-session - 1000 1901 0.0 0.0 4128 24 ? Ss Oct18 0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-ag 1000 1904 0.0 0.0 3880 192 ? S Oct18 0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-l 1000 1905 0.0 0.1 5520 2500 ? Ss Oct18 0:23 //bin/dbus-daem 1000 1915 0.0 0.0 43348 1420 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/at-spi 1000 1919 0.0 0.0 3412 1252 ? S Oct18 0:01 /bin/dbus-daemo 1000 1922 0.0 0.0 17176 1624 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/at-spi 1000 1932 0.0 0.5 165916 9124 ? Sl Oct18 0:21 /usr/lib/gnome- 1000 1947 1.9 0.2 100716 4024 ? S<l Oct18 37:48 /usr/bin/pulsea 1000 1949 0.0 0.0 27568 1616 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/g 1000 1953 0.0 0.0 42628 1184 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs// 1000 1962 0.0 0.0 14472 916 ? S Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/pulsea 1000 1964 0.0 0.1 9548 2480 ? S Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 1980 0.0 0.0 3764 364 ? S Oct18 0:43 syndaemon -i 1. 1000 1987 0.0 0.0 24476 1668 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/dconf/ 1000 1990 0.0 0.4 122968 8844 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/policy 1000 1991 0.0 0.2 80480 5392 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/gnome- 1000 1992 0.0 1.2 167532 22776 ? Sl Oct18 0:07 nautilus -n 1000 1998 0.0 0.4 181444 7744 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 nm-applet 1000 2002 0.0 0.1 38020 2892 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/g root 2012 0.0 0.1 59908 2664 ? Sl Oct18 0:24 /usr/lib/udisks 1000 2024 0.0 0.0 26456 1540 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/g 1000 2028 0.0 0.0 27684 1536 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/g 1000 2036 0.0 0.0 38964 1452 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/g root 2049 0.0 0.0 3328 588 ? Ss Oct18 0:00 /sbin/mount.ntf 1000 2053 0.0 0.0 36792 1284 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/g 1000 2058 0.0 0.1 53664 2364 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/g 1000 2069 0.0 0.4 82816 8112 ? Sl Oct18 0:07 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2084 0.0 0.1 17984 2048 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/g 1000 2086 0.0 0.0 2268 392 ? Ss Oct18 0:00 /bin/sh -c /usr 1000 2087 0.0 0.7 68100 12856 ? Sl Oct18 0:13 /usr/bin/gtk-wi 1000 2089 0.0 0.9 98508 17756 ? Sl Oct18 0:13 /usr/lib/unity/ 1000 2091 0.0 0.3 65380 6692 ? Sl Oct18 0:01 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2117 0.0 0.2 98024 3888 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2125 0.0 0.1 86644 3408 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/indica 1000 2126 0.0 0.3 84272 6664 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2127 0.0 0.1 94384 2752 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2128 0.0 0.1 83968 2828 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2129 0.0 0.2 150020 4684 ? Sl Oct18 0:01 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2130 0.0 0.2 86572 3884 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/indica 1000 2131 0.0 0.1 69352 2524 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2144 0.0 0.1 74192 3152 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/evolut 1000 2182 0.0 0.2 101120 4420 ? Sl Oct18 0:02 /usr/lib/gnome- 1000 2193 0.0 0.3 77752 6448 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 telepathy-indic 1000 2200 0.0 0.1 44032 2708 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/telepa 1000 2209 0.0 0.2 77664 3860 ? Sl Oct18 0:02 zeitgeist-datah 1000 2216 0.0 0.2 44464 4180 ? Sl Oct18 0:01 /usr/bin/zeitge root 2234 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [kworker/1:1H] 1000 2246 0.0 1.1 93428 21256 ? Sl Oct18 0:02 /usr/bin/python 1000 2284 0.0 0.6 110040 11656 ? Sl Oct18 0:14 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2289 0.0 0.2 85632 3728 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2296 0.0 0.1 77900 3388 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2298 0.0 0.6 120356 11992 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/bin/python 1000 2300 0.0 0.1 87560 2408 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2301 0.0 0.2 91764 4404 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2303 0.0 0.2 78224 4592 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2370 0.0 0.2 74976 4908 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2372 0.0 0.4 106760 8972 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/bin/python 1000 2394 0.0 0.1 95624 2736 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2433 0.0 0.1 46640 2124 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/i386-l 1000 2457 0.0 0.0 34496 1648 ? Sl Oct18 0:00 /usr/lib/libuni root 2513 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< Oct18 0:00 [kworker/0:1H] 1000 3361 0.0 0.0 2268 396 ? SN 07:54 0:20 /bin/sh -c /usr root 4919 1.8 2.1 201196 38760 ? SNl 13:29 11:25 /usr/bin/python root 4957 0.0 0.0 3880 400 ? SN 13:29 0:00 dbus-launch --a root 4958 0.0 0.0 3424 1196 ? SNs 13:29 0:05 //bin/dbus-daem root 5128 0.0 0.0 2268 416 ? SN 13:50 0:00 /bin/sh -c whil root 5141 0.0 0.0 2436 508 ? SN 13:50 0:00 gnome-pty-helpe root 5145 0.0 1.7 245280 30872 pts/1 SNs+ 13:50 0:05 /usr/bin/python root 5159 0.0 0.4 64200 7432 ? SNl 13:50 0:05 /usr/bin/gnome- root 5163 0.0 0.0 27440 1552 ? SNl 13:50 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs/g root 5167 0.0 0.0 42628 1648 ? SNl 13:50 0:00 /usr/lib/gvfs// root 9236 0.0 0.1 19112 2680 ? Ss 14:33 0:00 /usr/sbin/winbi root 9243 0.0 0.0 19112 1448 ? S 14:33 0:00 /usr/sbin/winbi whoopsie 9409 0.0 0.2 53608 4264 ? Ssl 14:33 0:00 whoopsie root 20087 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 14:34 0:00 [xfsalloc] root 20088 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 14:34 0:00 [xfs_mru_cache] root 20089 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 14:34 0:00 [xfslogd] root 20092 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 14:34 0:00 [jfsIO] root 20093 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 14:34 0:00 [jfsCommit] root 20094 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 14:34 0:00 [jfsCommit] root 20095 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 14:34 0:00 [jfsSync] root 20845 0.0 0.3 7980 6048 pts/2 SNs+ 14:29 0:04 /usr/bin/dpkg - root 23330 0.0 0.0 2896 568 ? S 14:09 0:00 upstart-file-br root 23332 0.0 0.0 2884 572 ? S 14:09 0:00 upstart-socket- root 24577 0.2 0.0 0 0 ? S 23:09 0:04 [kworker/1:2] root 24656 0.1 0.0 0 0 ? S 23:10 0:02 [kworker/0:0] 1000 24758 2.8 4.7 243692 85516 ? Sl 23:11 0:50 compiz root 25774 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S< 14:39 0:00 [iprt] 1000 26128 5.5 10.3 641628 187420 ? Sl 23:27 0:46 /usr/lib/firefo root 26374 0.0 0.0 3964 720 ? Ss 14:39 0:02 /usr/sbin/irqba root 26534 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 23:34 0:00 [kworker/0:1] root 26564 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 23:35 0:00 [kworker/1:1] 1000 26664 0.0 0.1 6784 3068 tty3 S+ 23:36 0:00 -bash 1000 26936 15.2 1.3 67520 23672 ? Sl 23:39 0:21 gnome-system-mo root 26992 0.0 0.0 0 0 ? S 23:40 0:00 [kworker/1:0] root 27049 0.0 0.0 4248 288 ? SN 23:41 0:00 sleep 30 1000 27057 9.5 0.8 68624 16140 ? Rl 23:41 0:00 gnome-terminal 1000 27064 0.0 0.0 2440 704 ? S 23:41 0:00 gnome-pty-helpe 1000 27065 2.6 0.1 6344 2608 pts/3 Ss 23:41 0:00 bash 1000 27113 0.0 0.0 5240 1144 pts/3 R+ 23:41 0:00 ps aux root 28267 0.0 0.0 2216 632 ? Ss 14:39 0:00 acpid -c /etc/a root 28333 0.0 0.0 2272 552 pts/2 SN+ 14:39 0:00 /bin/sh /var/li root 29699 0.0 0.2 8384 4608 pts/2 SN+ 14:40 0:00 modprobe wl

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  • Slow draw on some apps and dynamic clocks not working properly with ATI/AMD proprietary drivers

    - by Rakeka
    I've recently purchased a new computer (around July 2010) and I've been having some problems with proprietary video drivers on Linux. The hardware is: Video: ATI/AMD Radeon HD 5870 (XFX HD-587X-ZNFC); Motherboard: Asus P7P55D-E Deluxe; Processor: Intel i5 750; Memory: Kingston Hyperx KHX1600C8D3K2/4GX (2x - 8GB Total); Power Supply: XFX P1-750B-CAG9; There are no overclocks, not even the memories (they are at 1333mhz due processor memory controller limitation). The operational system is a homebrew Linux distribution with the following software: Architecture: x86_64 (multilib) Kernel: 2.6.35.10 Xorg: 7.5 Window Manager: wmii-3.9.2 Video Driver: ATI/AMD Catalyst 10.12 There are no desktop effects programs like compiz fusion or beryl. The problems: With ATI/AMD proprietary driver, some applications are with slow draw/redraw, and, the same applications make the driver to increase the card clocks to maximum (0% gpu activity, only the clocks are increased). I dunno exactly how to describe the slow draw but I'll list some applications and symptoms. xterm Flickers a lot when drawing continuous output; When I'm in a workspace with fullscreen xterm, The gpu load stays at 12% in idle, and, with smaller xterm, smaller GPU load. "aticonfig --odgc" output: Default Adapter - ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series Core (MHz) Memory (MHz) Current Clocks : 157 300 Current Peak : 850 1200 Configurable Peak Range : [600-900] [900-1300] GPU load : 12% "aticonfig --pplib-cmd 'get activity'" output: Current Activity is Core Clock: 157MHZ Memory Clock: 300MHZ VDDC: 950 Activity: 12 percent Performance Level: 0 Bus Speed: 5000 Bus Lanes: 16 Maximum Bus Lanes: 16 More examples: mplayer time info flickers on terminal; "find /" flickers a lot (It takes some time to stop with control-c. But, If I change the workspace or put some window upon it, just after the control-c, it stops instantly); "cat somefile" if the file is big (Xorg.0.log for example) it takes some time to display; vim and less (ex: find / | less) don't have much problems, just a little flicker when scrolling; mplayer (no gui) Slow reproduction and seek with -vo x11; Tearing with -vo xv; Time info flickers on terminal (xterm consequence); gvim A little slow draw when scrolling with page up/page down; Firefox Slow draw/redraw on some pages like www.boadica.com.br and sometimes on www.youtube.com with flash enable (never noticed on many pages); Corruptions when informative yellow boxes are showing and scroll the page (an gray box appears at the same place of the informative box); "Wallpaper" After minimizing a fullscreen window or changing to an empty workspace it takes some time to redraw wallpaper. "Video Card" The core and memory clocks are increased with the events described above and on other situations like change workspace (even without wallpaper), minimize, maximize or move a window; Idle clocks: Core: 157mhz, Memory: 300mhz Full clocks: Core: 850mhz, Memory: 1200mhz xpdf Painful slow scrolling; display (from ImageMagick) Slow menus and sometimes slow image redraw; Programs that I use and are apparently without problems: gimp; pidgin; mplayer (-vo gl, gl2); blender; unigine heaven (better fps than on Windows); doom3; tibia; penumbra overture; amnesia the dark descent (wine); diablo 2 (wine); No problems on Windows (Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit). And special note to this: Full desktop effects from Debian and Ubuntu gnome appearance cpanel don't cause ANY problems, even the core and memory clocks don't increase when change workspace, minimize, maximize or move a window. What I've tested: Unsuccessful tests: Tested all drivers versions since 10.6 (released approximately when I've installed the first slackware in this PC); Tested other video card - ATI/AMD Radeon HD 5570 (XFX HD-557X-ZHF2); Tested some options on xorg.conf and that I've found googling (some of these options are commented on my xorg.conf. I'll send the links at the end of post); Tested some patches like 107_fedora_dont_fill_bg_none.patch and xserver-xorg-backclear.patch from Arch Linux Catalyst page (https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/ATI_Catalyst); Tested other distros and software versions: Tested XORG-7.6 on my own distribution; Tested Debian Squeeze (testing - from 2010-12-20); Tested Ubuntu Marverick (10.10); Tested Slackware 13.1; Distros info: Architecture: i386 Debian and Ubuntu with all default software (kernel, gnome, xorg, drivers); Slackware with Catalyst from AMD page and default window managers like: fvwm, xfce, and my own build of wmii; Successful tests: Tested other video card (only on my homebrew distro) - NVIDIA Geforce 7300GS with driver 260.19.29; That didn't shown the slow draw problems, but that card is a bit obsolete, so, dunno if that lacks features like the dynamic clocks. I don't dispose of other video cards like nvidia g/gt/gts/gtx 200~400~500 or Radeon HD 3000/4000/6000 to make more tests. Tested other hardware: Video: ATI/AMD Radeon HD 5570 (XFX HD-557X-ZHF2); Motherboard: Intel DG31PR; Processor: Core 2 Duo E6750; Software for that hardware: Fresh install of same distros (except for the mine) with same program versions; That video card (HD 5570) were full time at the maximum clocks (something like 500/750, don't remember) in all the operational systems (Windows XP and Windows 7 too), but it didn't shown the same problems that I have here. I've googled a lot about common problems with ATI/AMD proprietary drivers for Linux and didn't find similar problems, except by the Firefox corruptions, that the solutions were to disable ATI Direct2DAccel and use XAA. With XAA the problems persists and the other applications like pidgin and rest of Firefox showed the same problems of slow draw/redraw. Open source Drivers: With open source drivers (xf86-video-ati-6.13.2) I hadn't the same slow draw problems, but, had other problems, that, for now, make it no viable solution. I'll not discuss it here because this is another line of problems and will confuse everything. If it happens to be the only solution, I'll make another thread to discuss it. Logs and Configs: kernel .config dmesg xorg package list xorg.conf Xorg.0.log

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