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  • Grails 1.2.x scripts not working

    - by RN
    I am using Grails 1.2.x (Tried both 1.2.0 and 1.2.2- same behavior) I am able to create the application fine by using the command grails create-app But, when I try any command within the project- it "freezes" after printing the Base Directory I have tried grails clean, grails war, grails run-app, grails created-domain-class Grails 1.1.x works just fine for me Any help would be welcome C:\mylab\testhostcgrails war Welcome to Grails 1.2.0 - http://grails.org/ Licensed under Apache Standard License2.0 Grails home is set to: C:\Programs\grails-1.2.0 Base Directory: C:\mylab\testhostc

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  • Unable to disable generation of sources JAR with maven-release-plugin

    - by Chris Lieb
    I am trying to release a web project using Maven 2.2.1 and the maven-release-plugin 2.0-beta-9, but it always fails when doing release:perform on generating the sources jar for the EAR project, which makes sense since the EAR project doesn't have any source. [INFO] [INFO] [source:jar {execution: attach-sources}] [INFO] [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [INFO] [ERROR] BUILD ERROR [INFO] [INFO] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [INFO] [INFO] Error creating source archive: You must set at least one file. To try to disable the building of a sources JAR for the EAR project, I added the following to the POM for my EAR project (the version of the release plugin is set in a parent POM): <build> <plugins> ... <plugin> <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId> <artifactId>maven-release-plugin</artifactId> <configuration> <useReleaseProfile>false</useReleaseProfile> </configuration> </plugin> </plugins> </build> Upon running the release again after checking in this change, I got the same error while generating the sources JAR for the EAR project, even though this should have been disabled by the previous POM snippet. What am I doing wrong? Why is the sources JAR still being built? Edit: I've tried to make the source plugin include my application.xml file so that this error doesn't occur by adding the following POM snippet: <build> <plugins> ... <plugin> <groupId>org.apache.maven.plugins</groupId> <artifactId>maven-source-plugin</artifactId> <configuration> <includes> <include>${basedir}/META-INF/**/*</include> </includes> <useDefaultExcludes>false</useDefaultExcludes> </configuration> </plugin> </plugins> </build> Unfortunately, this does not fix the problem either.

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  • Why the proliferation of open source licenses?

    - by dwj
    Is the proliferation of open source licenses just another example of programmers living NYI (Not Invented Here) syndrome? I know there are some big differences between some of the big licenses (e.g., GPL, Apache, BSD) but when you start looking to see many projects creating their own licenses. Why? References: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_licenses http://developer.kde.org/documentation/licensing/licenses_summary.html

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  • How to deploy axis2 + MyBatis

    - by henry
    I am trying to do webservice (I am quite new in Webservice under java). I am using netbeans. Axis2 is having problem trying to locate the the xml configuration file for mybatis Anyone can tell me how to successfully deploy mybatis configuration. Should I manually copy the configuration under .netbeans\6.8\apache-tomcat-6.0.20_base\webapps\axis2\WEB-INF\classes or there is any other setting?

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  • What exactly is a web application framework?

    - by isaiah
    I'm getting into python for cgi and came across Django. I'm not quite sure I understand it very much. Is it something I have to install inside apache or is it just something I can use with my cgi? Wanted to know because I'd love to learn it but my server I'm using doesn't give me a lot of privileges. thanks

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  • include external css.gz in drupal themes

    - by kles
    hi, im trying to include css.gz from external source, but still not works on all browsers <link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="all" href="http://www.website.com/style.css.gz" /> i dont know what is the problem (my web server: nginx, and test server: apache) thanks

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  • How can I run a joomla project?

    - by Mike Redford
    Hi guys, I get a joomla template, but I can't run it. I copy it to htdocs folder in Apache(XAMPP) and it return this : "Restricted access" defined('_JEXEC') or die('Restricted access'); // no direct access require_once dirname(__FILE__) . DIRECTORY_SEPARATOR . 'functions.php'; please kindly advise me, Cheers, Mike

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  • MySQL query, 2 similar servers, 2 minute difference in execution times

    - by mr12086
    I had a similar question on stack overflow, but it seems to be more server/mysql setup related than coding. The queries below all execute instantly on our development server where as they can take upto 2 minutes 20 seconds. The query execution time seems to be affected by home ambiguous the LIKE string's are. If they closely match a country that has few matches it will take less time, and if you use something like 'ge' for germany - it will take longer to execute. But this doesn't always work out like that, at times its quite erratic. Sending data appears to be the culprit but why and what does that mean. Also memory on production looks to be quite low (free memory)? Production: Intel Quad Xeon E3-1220 3.1GHz 4GB DDR3 2x 1TB SATA in RAID1 Network speed 100Mb Ubuntu Development Intel Core i3-2100, 2C/4T, 3.10GHz 500 GB SATA - No RAID 4GB DDR3 UPDATE 2 : mysqltuner output: [prod] -------- General Statistics -------------------------------------------------- [--] Skipped version check for MySQLTuner script [OK] Currently running supported MySQL version 5.1.61-0ubuntu0.10.04.1 [OK] Operating on 64-bit architecture -------- Storage Engine Statistics ------------------------------------------- [--] Status: +Archive -BDB -Federated +InnoDB -ISAM -NDBCluster [--] Data in MyISAM tables: 103M (Tables: 180) [--] Data in InnoDB tables: 491M (Tables: 19) [!!] Total fragmented tables: 38 -------- Security Recommendations ------------------------------------------- [OK] All database users have passwords assigned -------- Performance Metrics ------------------------------------------------- [--] Up for: 77d 4h 6m 1s (53M q [7.968 qps], 14M conn, TX: 87B, RX: 12B) [--] Reads / Writes: 98% / 2% [--] Total buffers: 58.0M global + 2.7M per thread (151 max threads) [OK] Maximum possible memory usage: 463.8M (11% of installed RAM) [OK] Slow queries: 0% (12K/53M) [OK] Highest usage of available connections: 22% (34/151) [OK] Key buffer size / total MyISAM indexes: 16.0M/10.6M [OK] Key buffer hit rate: 98.7% (162M cached / 2M reads) [OK] Query cache efficiency: 20.7% (7M cached / 36M selects) [!!] Query cache prunes per day: 3934 [OK] Sorts requiring temporary tables: 1% (3K temp sorts / 230K sorts) [!!] Joins performed without indexes: 71068 [OK] Temporary tables created on disk: 24% (3M on disk / 13M total) [OK] Thread cache hit rate: 99% (690 created / 14M connections) [!!] Table cache hit rate: 0% (64 open / 85M opened) [OK] Open file limit used: 12% (128/1K) [OK] Table locks acquired immediately: 99% (16M immediate / 16M locks) [!!] InnoDB data size / buffer pool: 491.9M/8.0M -------- Recommendations ----------------------------------------------------- General recommendations: Run OPTIMIZE TABLE to defragment tables for better performance Enable the slow query log to troubleshoot bad queries Adjust your join queries to always utilize indexes Increase table_cache gradually to avoid file descriptor limits Variables to adjust: query_cache_size (> 16M) join_buffer_size (> 128.0K, or always use indexes with joins) table_cache (> 64) innodb_buffer_pool_size (>= 491M) [dev] -------- General Statistics -------------------------------------------------- [--] Skipped version check for MySQLTuner script [OK] Currently running supported MySQL version 5.1.62-0ubuntu0.11.10.1 [!!] Switch to 64-bit OS - MySQL cannot currently use all of your RAM -------- Storage Engine Statistics ------------------------------------------- [--] Status: +Archive -BDB -Federated +InnoDB -ISAM -NDBCluster [--] Data in MyISAM tables: 185M (Tables: 632) [--] Data in InnoDB tables: 967M (Tables: 38) [!!] Total fragmented tables: 73 -------- Security Recommendations ------------------------------------------- [OK] All database users have passwords assigned -------- Performance Metrics ------------------------------------------------- [--] Up for: 1d 2h 26m 9s (5K q [0.058 qps], 1K conn, TX: 4M, RX: 1M) [--] Reads / Writes: 99% / 1% [--] Total buffers: 58.0M global + 2.7M per thread (151 max threads) [OK] Maximum possible memory usage: 463.8M (11% of installed RAM) [OK] Slow queries: 0% (0/5K) [OK] Highest usage of available connections: 1% (2/151) [OK] Key buffer size / total MyISAM indexes: 16.0M/18.6M [OK] Key buffer hit rate: 99.9% (60K cached / 36 reads) [OK] Query cache efficiency: 44.5% (1K cached / 2K selects) [OK] Query cache prunes per day: 0 [OK] Sorts requiring temporary tables: 0% (0 temp sorts / 44 sorts) [OK] Temporary tables created on disk: 24% (162 on disk / 666 total) [OK] Thread cache hit rate: 99% (2 created / 1K connections) [!!] Table cache hit rate: 1% (64 open / 4K opened) [OK] Open file limit used: 8% (88/1K) [OK] Table locks acquired immediately: 100% (1K immediate / 1K locks) [!!] InnoDB data size / buffer pool: 967.7M/8.0M -------- Recommendations ----------------------------------------------------- General recommendations: Run OPTIMIZE TABLE to defragment tables for better performance Enable the slow query log to troubleshoot bad queries Increase table_cache gradually to avoid file descriptor limits Variables to adjust: table_cache (> 64) innodb_buffer_pool_size (>= 967M) UPDATE 1: When testing the queries listed here there is usually no more than one other query taking place, and usually none. Because production is actually handling apache requests that development gets very few of as it's only myself and 1 other who accesses it - could the 4GB of RAM be getting exhausted by using the single machine for both apache and mysql server? Production: sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 24872 MB in 2.00 seconds = 12450.72 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 368 MB in 3.00 seconds = 122.49 MB/sec sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sdb /dev/sdb: Timing cached reads: 24786 MB in 2.00 seconds = 12407.22 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 350 MB in 3.00 seconds = 116.53 MB/sec Server version(mysql + ubuntu versions): 5.1.61-0ubuntu0.10.04.1 Development: sudo hdparm -tT /dev/sda /dev/sda: Timing cached reads: 10632 MB in 2.00 seconds = 5319.40 MB/sec Timing buffered disk reads: 400 MB in 3.01 seconds = 132.85 MB/sec Server version(mysql + ubuntu versions): 5.1.62-0ubuntu0.11.10.1 ORIGINAL DATA : This query is NOT the query in question but is related so ill post it. SELECT f.form_question_has_answer_id FROM form_question_has_answer f INNER JOIN project_company_has_user p ON f.form_question_has_answer_user_id = p.project_company_has_user_user_id INNER JOIN company c ON p.project_company_has_user_company_id = c.company_id INNER JOIN project p2 ON p.project_company_has_user_project_id = p2.project_id INNER JOIN user u ON p.project_company_has_user_user_id = u.user_id INNER JOIN form f2 ON p.project_company_has_user_project_id = f2.form_project_id WHERE (f2.form_template_name = 'custom' AND p.project_company_has_user_garbage_collection = 0 AND p.project_company_has_user_project_id = '29') AND (LCASE(c.company_country) LIKE '%ge%' OR LCASE(c.company_country) LIKE '%abcde%') AND f.form_question_has_answer_form_id = '174' And the explain plan for the above query is, run on both dev and production produce the same plan. +----+-------------+-------+--------+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+---------+----------------------------------------------------+------+-------------+ | id | select_type | table | type | possible_keys | key | key_len | ref | rows | Extra | +----+-------------+-------+--------+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+---------+----------------------------------------------------+------+-------------+ | 1 | SIMPLE | p2 | const | PRIMARY | PRIMARY | 4 | const | 1 | Using index | | 1 | SIMPLE | f | ref | form_question_has_answer_form_id,form_question_has_answer_user_id | form_question_has_answer_form_id | 4 | const | 796 | Using where | | 1 | SIMPLE | u | eq_ref | PRIMARY | PRIMARY | 4 | new_klarents.f.form_question_has_answer_user_id | 1 | Using index | | 1 | SIMPLE | p | ref | project_company_has_user_unique_key,project_company_has_user_user_id,project_company_has_user_company_id,project_company_has_user_project_id | project_company_has_user_user_id | 4 | new_klarents.f.form_question_has_answer_user_id | 1 | Using where | | 1 | SIMPLE | f2 | ref | form_project_id | form_project_id | 4 | const | 15 | Using where | | 1 | SIMPLE | c | eq_ref | PRIMARY | PRIMARY | 4 | new_klarents.p.project_company_has_user_company_id | 1 | Using where | +----+-------------+-------+--------+----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+---------+----------------------------------------------------+------+-------------+ This query takes 2 minutes ~20 seconds to execute. The query that is ACTUALLY being run on the server is this one: SELECT COUNT(*) AS num_results FROM (SELECT f.form_question_has_answer_id FROM form_question_has_answer f INNER JOIN project_company_has_user p ON f.form_question_has_answer_user_id = p.project_company_has_user_user_id INNER JOIN company c ON p.project_company_has_user_company_id = c.company_id INNER JOIN project p2 ON p.project_company_has_user_project_id = p2.project_id INNER JOIN user u ON p.project_company_has_user_user_id = u.user_id INNER JOIN form f2 ON p.project_company_has_user_project_id = f2.form_project_id WHERE (f2.form_template_name = 'custom' AND p.project_company_has_user_garbage_collection = 0 AND p.project_company_has_user_project_id = '29') AND (LCASE(c.company_country) LIKE '%ge%' OR LCASE(c.company_country) LIKE '%abcde%') AND f.form_question_has_answer_form_id = '174' GROUP BY f.form_question_has_answer_id;) dctrn_count_query; With explain plans (again same on dev and production): +----+-------------+-------+--------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+---------+----------------------------------------------------+------+------------------------------+ | id | select_type | table | type | possible_keys | key | key_len | ref | rows | Extra | +----+-------------+-------+--------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+---------+----------------------------------------------------+------+------------------------------+ | 1 | PRIMARY | NULL | NULL | NULL | NULL | NULL | NULL | NULL | Select tables optimized away | | 2 | DERIVED | p2 | const | PRIMARY | PRIMARY | 4 | | 1 | Using index | | 2 | DERIVED | f | ref | form_question_has_answer_form_id,form_question_has_answer_user_id | form_question_has_answer_form_id | 4 | | 797 | Using where | | 2 | DERIVED | p | ref | project_company_has_user_unique_key,project_company_has_user_user_id,project_company_has_user_company_id,project_company_has_user_project_id,project_company_has_user_garbage_collection | project_company_has_user_user_id | 4 | new_klarents.f.form_question_has_answer_user_id | 1 | Using where | | 2 | DERIVED | f2 | ref | form_project_id | form_project_id | 4 | | 15 | Using where | | 2 | DERIVED | c | eq_ref | PRIMARY | PRIMARY | 4 | new_klarents.p.project_company_has_user_company_id | 1 | Using where | | 2 | DERIVED | u | eq_ref | PRIMARY | PRIMARY | 4 | new_klarents.p.project_company_has_user_user_id | 1 | Using where; Using index | +----+-------------+-------+--------+------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+----------------------------------+---------+----------------------------------------------------+------+------------------------------+ On the production server the information I have is as follows. Upon execution: +-------------+ | num_results | +-------------+ | 3 | +-------------+ 1 row in set (2 min 14.28 sec) Show profile: +--------------------------------+------------+ | Status | Duration | +--------------------------------+------------+ | starting | 0.000016 | | checking query cache for query | 0.000057 | | Opening tables | 0.004388 | | System lock | 0.000003 | | Table lock | 0.000036 | | init | 0.000030 | | optimizing | 0.000016 | | statistics | 0.000111 | | preparing | 0.000022 | | executing | 0.000004 | | Sorting result | 0.000002 | | Sending data | 136.213836 | | end | 0.000007 | | query end | 0.000002 | | freeing items | 0.004273 | | storing result in query cache | 0.000010 | | logging slow query | 0.000001 | | logging slow query | 0.000002 | | cleaning up | 0.000002 | +--------------------------------+------------+ On development the results are as follows. +-------------+ | num_results | +-------------+ | 3 | +-------------+ 1 row in set (0.08 sec) Again the profile for this query: +--------------------------------+----------+ | Status | Duration | +--------------------------------+----------+ | starting | 0.000022 | | checking query cache for query | 0.000148 | | Opening tables | 0.000025 | | System lock | 0.000008 | | Table lock | 0.000101 | | optimizing | 0.000035 | | statistics | 0.001019 | | preparing | 0.000047 | | executing | 0.000008 | | Sorting result | 0.000005 | | Sending data | 0.086565 | | init | 0.000015 | | optimizing | 0.000006 | | executing | 0.000020 | | end | 0.000004 | | query end | 0.000004 | | freeing items | 0.000028 | | storing result in query cache | 0.000005 | | removing tmp table | 0.000008 | | closing tables | 0.000008 | | logging slow query | 0.000002 | | cleaning up | 0.000005 | +--------------------------------+----------+ If i remove user and/or project innerjoins the query is reduced to 30s. Last bit of information I have: Mysqlserver and Apache are on the same box, there is only one box for production. Production output from top: before & after. top - 15:43:25 up 78 days, 12:11, 4 users, load average: 1.42, 0.99, 0.78 Tasks: 162 total, 2 running, 160 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 0.1%us, 50.4%sy, 0.0%ni, 49.5%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 4037868k total, 3772580k used, 265288k free, 243704k buffers Swap: 3905528k total, 265384k used, 3640144k free, 1207944k cached top - 15:44:31 up 78 days, 12:13, 4 users, load average: 1.94, 1.23, 0.87 Tasks: 160 total, 2 running, 157 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie Cpu(s): 0.2%us, 50.6%sy, 0.0%ni, 49.3%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 4037868k total, 3834300k used, 203568k free, 243736k buffers Swap: 3905528k total, 265384k used, 3640144k free, 1207804k cached But this isn't a good representation of production's normal status so here is a grab of it from today outside of executing the queries. top - 11:04:58 up 79 days, 7:33, 4 users, load average: 0.39, 0.58, 0.76 Tasks: 156 total, 1 running, 155 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 3.3%us, 2.8%sy, 0.0%ni, 93.9%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 4037868k total, 3676136k used, 361732k free, 271480k buffers Swap: 3905528k total, 268736k used, 3636792k free, 1063432k cached Development: This one doesn't change during or after. top - 15:47:07 up 110 days, 22:11, 7 users, load average: 0.17, 0.07, 0.06 Tasks: 210 total, 2 running, 208 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie Cpu(s): 0.1%us, 0.2%sy, 0.0%ni, 99.7%id, 0.0%wa, 0.0%hi, 0.0%si, 0.0%st Mem: 4111972k total, 1821100k used, 2290872k free, 238860k buffers Swap: 4183036k total, 66472k used, 4116564k free, 921072k cached

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  • Create Word/RTF file with table of contents from Java

    - by Glen
    Hi, I want to create a Word or RTF file with a table of contents (with links to each section) from Java. From my understanding, iText & Apache POI do not support generating a table of contents. Some clients of the app still use older versions of Word, so I need a library that supports the older Word doc format. Does anyone know how I can do this? Thanks, Glen

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  • deny access to certain folder using php

    - by mckenzie
    Hello, Is it possible to "deny from all" apache htaccess style using php. I can't use htaccess because im using different webserver, so i wan't to use php to workaround it. So let say user are trying to access folder name 'david', all content and subdirectory are denied from viewing.

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  • php script which updates svn working directory

    - by Sourabh
    Hi I want to write a php script which updates svn working directory I tried with below code , but it does not work.I guess because the USER for php script is "apache" but for svn update it needs to be "homeuser" putenv("USERNAME=homeuser"); putenv("HOME=/home/homeuser"); exec("svn update /home/homeuser/path/to/working/dir", $info); //svn update with full path print_r($info); how to get around ?

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  • Sun Access Manager

    - by bmw0128
    i'm looking to learn about SSO, and heard about Sun Access Manager and openSSO(?) I want to build a small system that does SSO, like have Apache as a front end working with an SSO server. Should I investigate Sun AM and is openSSO a product? Do they offer these free for developers? Thanks

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  • Great projects, works, people in intersection of programming and art/music?

    - by jacob
    In a recent question I was introduced to the work of André Michelle, which blew me away. What other great people or works do you know in the fields of art and music? As someone with a love for math/programming and art/music I'd love to know more about people using sophisticated (or not so sophisticated) techniques to produce creative things. The software used can be anything from Max/MSP, Flash to simple C code or Assembler. Pointers to forums, blogs, newsletters and similar are very appreciated as well.

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  • Throw of a dice in Java

    - by Arkapravo
    The throw of a dice is a popular program in Java, public class Dice { /* This program simulates rolling a dice */ public static void main(String[] args) { int dice; // The number on the dice. dice = (int) (Math.random() * 6 + 1); System.out.println (dice); } } What I wish to do is make it repeat, 500 times. I have not been able to put this program into a loop of 500. I usually program in Python, thus I guess my Java has rusted ! Any help is most welcome !

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  • Who owns a php exec tar extracted file?

    - by Ken
    As far as file permissions are concerned, when you use a php script to unzip a tar file, who is the "owner" user of the files created? I'm wondering if its my ftp user because I uploaded the script file? Or does apache own the file? I know their are flags to be set to preserve the original permissions which I don't want (files where created and archived by someone else). I want my user to be the creater/owner of the files.

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  • Using psftp to upload and download files

    - by macha
    Hello I am trying to upload and download files from my desktop to my server. Now after some search I did download psftp. I used to use filezilla earlier, but I cannot install it on my desktop due to a few reasons. Since psftp (similar to putty) is just an executable for file transfer. So now after going through this link http://www.math.tamu.edu/~mpilant/math696/psftp.html. I understood that put and get are two commands I would use to download and upload files. Now when I logon to the server and say get filename, it actually is throwing back an error "local: unable to open filename". I tried that with other files too, and I end up getting the same error. Am I making a mistake or is it a problem with this executable? I did not find relevant tags for this topic, could somebody suggest me the right forum for this issue.

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  • Render only the segment/area of a circle that intersects the main circle

    - by Greenhouse Gases
    I absolutely love maths (or 'math' as most of you would say!) but I haven't done it to a level where I know the answer to this problem. I have a main circle which could have a centre point at any x and y on a display. Other circles will move around the display at will but at any given call to a render method I want to render not only those circles that intersect the main circle, but also only render the segment of that circle that is visible inside the main circle. An analogy would be a shadow cast on a real life object, and I only want to draw the part of that object that is 'illuminated'. I want to do this preferably in Java, but if you have a raw formula that would be appreciated. I wonder how one might draw the shape and fill it in Java, I'm sure there must be some variation on a polyline with arcs or something? Many thanks

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  • WPF/MVVM: Reshaping/Binding data on a DataGrid to a PivotGrid layout ?

    - by msfanboy
    Hello, I do not want to use 3rd party controls because I would have to buy a suite for justing using one control... So is there any chance I can arrange 3 entities: Subject, Grade and Pupil in that way on a simple DataGrid to show Pivot data like: ...........Math....Sports.... M.Kramer...A.......C......... B.Jonson...D.......A......... Does the binding for example work on the RowHeader with properties of a custom object/entity ? And would sorting destroy the whole relations between the entities ? You ever tried to do something like that?

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  • Which Hadoop API should I use?

    - by Niels Basjes
    In the latest Hadoop Studio the 0.18 API of Hadoop is called "Stable" and the 0.20 API of Hadoop is called "Unstable". Now given the fact that we'll start coding a new Hadoop project in the next few weeks; which API should we use and which Hadoop distribution (Apache, Cloudera, Yahoo, ...) should we use? Thanks for your insights.

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  • What programs should I write to truly experience this fancy new language ?

    - by privatehuff
    Tried Scheme at one point, just built up half of a "math" and "string" library before getting bored... Similar experience with Java, but stopped early because I was appalled at the lack of operator overloading. When you try out a new language, is there a program/game/function/exercise/problem that you use to get into the hot meaty center and really EXPERIENCE the language? I've been wanted to try Python, Ruby, some lisps, etc but can't seem to find any meaningful work to do with them, or any reason to use them for anything over languages I already know. Sorry this is a discussion, but you are EXACTLY the people I want to get input from on this

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