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• How to correctly add daemon in MacOS 10.6.6 via launchd?

  - by Eye of Hell

  Hello. I have a very simple task to accomplish: to start tomcat application server on latest MacOS as a daemon. I have performed following steps: Installed Tomcat in /Library/Tomcat/Home Validated that it runs fine by executed /Library/Tomcat/Home/bin/startup.sh Added org.apache.tomcat.plist file to /Library/LaunchDaemons as found on internet (http://blog.i18n.ro/complete-guide-for-installing-hudson-ci-on-os-x-10-6/) Instructed MacOS to load a daemon description via sudo launchctl load org.apache.tomcat.plist. It succeeded (issuing this command second time outputs "already loaded"). Instructed MacOS to start a daeon via sudo launchctl start org.apache.tomcat.plist At this point MacOS shows an error "launchctl start error: No such process". I have checked the logfile for launchd - it have no record for this error. Google says nothing. And from error text i can't figure out what is the "process" and why it is "wrong" :(. Any hints what i'm doing wrong?

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• Postfix Stagger/Rate Limit Outbound Mail

  - by GruffTech

  We have a server that sends our weekly newsletter to subscribers, To prevent people like Hotmail or Yahoo from blocking us due to sending too many simultaneous emails to them, Is there a way we can stagger email, or rate-limit outbound emails from postfix? Keep in mind, I dont want the mailserver to stop queueing mail or accepting new messages, Simply defer delivery if there are more then 3-4 messages per destination domain/ipaddress, or something similar. Note: I dont want a Sender Throttle, as described in a similar question, here. I'm looking more for a recipient throttle but haven't had any luck finding out how to do so with PolicyD or Anvil services, and was wondering if anyone else has accomplished such a task.

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• Unable to understand a line in Google CodePreview's README

  - by Masi

  The README is in Google's codepreview which uses Google-appengine. To run the app locally (e.g. for testing), download the Google App Engine SDK from http://code.google.com/appengine/downloads.html. You can then run the server using make serve I run make serve in my terminal after moving Google-appengine.app to my Application -folder in OS X Leopard. I get make: *** No rule to make target `serve'. Stop. How can you run the make serve to run the server for Google AppEngine?

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• Website Upgrade - Avoid Downtime

  - by nolan.sipos

  I have been requested to investigate how I can reduce the downtime of our website upgrades. We maintain a DNN site with both public facing pages and member only pages. The member only pages are directly linked to our core application database while the public pages are not. Our current process is to redirect website users as soon as the upgrade process begins, which includes Backup of the Prod DB Update Prod DB Update Executables (Application) Upgrade Website Application (If this requires an update) Install Dependencies Upgrade sub systems like communication engine and payment broker Update various configuration files Perform testing of systems Restart all services Allow access to site This process can take from 2 to 8 hours depending on upgrade required, scripts to be run, size of database and number or portals. My initial thoughts are to restrict users to read only pages and any update pages would be unavailable. Could anyone please offer suggestions as to the best practices for what I would think to be a common problem so that we can reduce this down time and if we need infrastructure changes, I can put this to our technical department.

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• Load balancing Apache on a budget?

  - by Industrial

  Hi everyone, I am trying to get my head around the concept of load balancing to ensure availability and redundancy to keep users happy when things go wrong, rather than load balancing for the sake of offering blistering speed to millions of users. We're on a budget and trying to stick to the stuff where there's plenty of knowledge available, so running Apache on Ubuntu VPS's seems like the strategy until some famous search engine acquire us (Saturday irony included, please note). At least to me, it's a complete jungle of different solutions available. Apaches own mod_proxy & HAproxy are two that we found by a quick google search, but having zero experience of load balancing, I have no idea of what would be appropriate for our situation, or what we would look after while choosing a solution to solve our availability concerns. What is the best option for us? What should we do to get availability high whilst staying inside our budgets?

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• Installing Windows XP sp3 into USB 2.0 WD 320Gb Hard Drive

  - by NetKabuki

  I have a HP laptop with support for 3 USB 2.0 ports. I also have a clean 320Gb WD USB 2.0 drive. The HP can boot from USB (Bios options). I used the install disk (XP SP3 bootable) and after a few stutters, was actually able to load up a partition on the 320Gb drive with Windows. I cannot consistently get the system to boot up off the USB drive. I am able to drop Ubuntu on that same WD drive and boot up. I can even get Grub2 on Ubuntu to recognize the Win OS. But booting the Win OS is an impossible task. What can I do differently - if anything?

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• How to change image to this color?

  - by askmoo

  I have this image And I need to change it to the color #D21108 (type of RED). Of course, I do not want to paint it to this color, but to change the color to #D21108 and its shades (like I do in Photoshop via Brush Colour Replacement). I have all info about this color, values of RGB, CMYK, Lab and HSV if you need them. Now, I guess I can easily change it via GIMP's menu "Colors". I tried options Color Balance, Hue-Saturation, Colorize, but I did not find a way to enter the starting color I need. I was closest to my aim via Hue-Saturation, but I could not get this red value, no matter what I tried. As I am not a graphics expert, please tell me how to accomplish this task. PS. What's the meaning of Lab and HSV in the color scheme? I know the meaning of RGB and CMYK.

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• Windows 7 randomly installs an "Unknown Device" successfully

  - by Amazed

  Rarely (several days to weeks between occurrences,) and seemingly at random, I get a balloon notification from Windows 7 (x64 SP1 Home Premium) that it is installing hardware for me. Whatever is being installed does so without error. However, no new hardware has been installed or plugged in! When I click the balloon it doesn't give me any useful information: Looking in the event log, I find this entry: Event ID: 20001 Source: UserPnp Task Category: 7005 Message: Driver Management concluded the process to install driver FileRepository\usb.inf_amd64_neutral_153b489118ee37b8\usb.inf for Device Instance ID USB\VID_0000&PID_0000\6&3AF9A177&0&0060&&02 with the following status: 0x0. It appears to be USB related. My motherboard has both USB 2.0 and 3.0 controllers. My keyboard and mouse are plugged into the 2.0 slots and the data/recharge cable for a tablet (but not the tablet itself) was plugged in to the 3.0 slot. No other USB devices have been attached for several days/reboots. Why is Windows doing this?

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• Firefox does not load certificate chain

  - by TimWolla

  I'm running lighttpd/1.4.28 (ssl) on Debian Squeeze. I just created a http://startssl.com certificate, I runs fine at all of my Browsers (Firefox, Chrome, Opera), but my users are reporting certificate-errors in Firefox. I already nailed it down to a failing of loading of the certificate chain: Certificate at my Firefox: http://i.stack.imgur.com/moR5x.png Certificate at others Firefox: http://i.stack.imgur.com/ZVoIu.png (Note the missing StartCOM-certificates here) I followed this tutorial for embedding the certificate in my lighttpd: https://forum.startcom.org/viewtopic.php?t=719 The relevant parts of my lighttpd.conf look like this: $SERVER["socket"] == ":443" { ssl.engine = "enable" ssl.ca-file = "/etc/lighttpd/certs/ca-bundle.pem" ssl.pemfile = "/etc/lighttpd/certs/www.bisaboard.crt" } ca-bundle.pem was created like this: cat ca.pem sub.class1.server.ca.pem > ca-bundle.pem I grabbed the relevant files from here: http://www.startssl.com/certs/ www.bisaboard.crt was created like this: cat certificate.pem ssl.key > www.bisaboard.crt Where certificate.pem is my StartSSL-Class1 Certificate and ssl.key my SSL-Root-Key. Do you have any idea why the second Firefox does not correctly load the certificate-chain?

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• Low-cost, Flexible Log Aggregation [closed]

  - by Dan McClain

  I'm starting to have quite the collection of Ubuntu VMs that I must manage. I'm starting to investigate Puppet for managing the configuration of all of them, and apticron to let me know what's out of date. But the issue I feel I should deal with sooner than later is log aggregation. I'd like to stay in the free/open source realm for now, seeing that we don't have much budget for something like splunk yet. In addition to syslog, I would like to collect application specific logs (We are running different apps on different machines, from nginx+passenger for rails, to Apache+Tomcat for java, to PHP for expression engine, and mysql/postgresql database server), so that we can analyze the relavent data. For now, I'm just looking to get all the logs one place.

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• Back up Windows 2008 SBS to iSCSI disk

  - by Farseeker

  I've almost no experience with SBS 2008, so please excuse my noob question! SBS 2008 only has the most basic backup utility built in as far as I can tell (similar to Vista), and it will only back up to physical volumes. I've read that you can set up a batch task to backup to a network volume, but right now I just need to get something deployed ASAP. We have an iSCSI target with plenty of free space. Is it worth backing up to an iSCSI target? Or am I wasting my time? If I need to do a recovery from the iSCSI disk, how would I go about it?

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• I split partition in Windows 7 home edition but the Windows doesn't reboot

  - by Samnan

  I Have Geniune Windows 7 home edition and my Laptop is Pavilion HP DV6 . I had only 1 partition of 500+ GB i Wanted to make another partition. I read somewhere in forum that I have to make my C: logical and then I'd be able to split C: I did the same thing using Partition Wizard. I made C: of 125 GB and shift rest of the space in New drive. I made a bootable disk, performed all the task using partition Wizard After that I have not been able to boot my windows. Even after running system restore several times.

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• easy Switching to open folders on a mac

  - by Charles

  How do I easily switch to an open folder on a mac? In windows, which I'm used to using, I can see all my opened folders in my vertical taskbar, all i need to do to switch to another window is click on the folder in the task bar. There's no taskbar in mac, and when i have a lot of folders opened, ie, lots of finder windows, how can I switch between them? The way i'm doing it is, i put expose on an active corner and switch that way. However that's still damn hard, because first i have to bring up expose, and then find my window. The folders are placed in a random position between opened apps, the folders are not in a list, and on a big screen i have to scan the whole screen in order to find the one i want... etc. Is it really this hard just to switch to a different folder on a mac? :(

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• Is there a way to capture the "network user name" and the "host name" during a "login failed" alert

  - by Jorge Rivera

  I am a SQL Server 7 DBA and I would like to "improve" the default "Login failed" alert that brings SQL 7. I need a way to know what "user" (network user name) was trying to connect to the server (not only the SQL user account) and I would like to know from where the user was trying to connect (the hostname). Does someone know if this is possible? Using the SQL Profiler is not the best way since is a resource consuming task. Would be a way to setup an alert for doing this? Thanks in advance.

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• Idiomatic way to invoke chef-solo?

  - by kerkeslager

  What is the idiomatic way to invoke chef-solo? Most sites do this: chef-solo -c ~/solo.rb -j ~/node.json -r http://www.example.com/chef-solo.tar.gz But that's long. There are a few shorter ways to do this that I can think of: A rake task (rake chef-solo). A small shell script (run-chef-solo). An alias (can override the name, like chef-solo). What is the idiomatic way to do this? How are other chef users invoking chef?

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• Accessing localhost on my iPhone

  - by mohabitar

  I've found similarly titled questions, but none that directly address my issue. I'm running Google App Engine server on my Macbook, and it was configured to use port 8080 on localhost. And so anytime I wanted to run my site, I'd just go to localhost:8080/saveuser and everything worked fine. Now, I want to access this same site on my iPhone. I can't just do localhost on my iPhone, so I set up Web Sharing on my mac, and it's set up to http://192.168.1.106/~mohabitar. I can access this from my iPhone, but it only displays a directory of my files, and doesn't actually run the Python script. The only way my Python scripts actually run is if I do localhost:8080 on my computer. What can I do about this?

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• Restoring an Exchange 2010 user's calendar without rest of mailbox

  - by AlamedaDad

  I am trying to restore a user's calendar from backup, which was deleted by a sync problem on her mobile device. I've been able to restore her mailbox without a problem but I had to link it to a new AD user since she deleted the calendar several days before she reported the problem and the current backups of her account didn't include any calendar events, but all of her current email. I had to restore the mailbox from the day before she deleted everything. I've tried sharing the calendar and opening it in her account, then copying or moving the contents, but I get an error that outlook can't do the task because there are personal items. I tried bringing up the "Recovery User" I created, in Outlook and exporting the calendar events to a .pst, then importing them into the user's real account, but they all get created in a sub-folder called "Recovery User." In case it matters, she's running Outlook 2010 and we're using Exchange 2010 SP1. Thank in advance for help with this problem...Michael

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• Coldfusion deployment under Apache Tomcat with Virtual Hosts

  - by smalltiger85

  Hello, I'm looking for the proper way to share the Coldfusion engine for all my Virtual Hosts. This is how I have the virtual hosts configured on server.xml in the Tomcat conf: <Host name="localhost" appBase="webapps" unpackWARs="false" autoDeploy="true" xmlValidation="false" xmlNamespaceAware="false"> <Context path="" docBase="cfusion/" reloadable="true" privileged="true" antiResourceLocking="false" anitJARLocking="false" allowLinking="true"/> </Host> <Host name="mysite1" appBase="webapps" xmlValidation="false" xmlNamespaceAware="false"> <Context path="" docBase="/mnt/webroot/mysite1" /> </Host> This is not valid for me because I'm instantiating one Coldfusion process for every virtual host, and it requires me to copy the WEB-INF folder in every site. My question is, is there any way to share the same Coldfusion instance for every virtual host, mantaining the sites webroot outside of the cfusion folder? I'm using Apache Tomcat 6 and Coldfusion Enterprise edition 8. Many thanks.

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• Can't connect to STunnel when it's running as a service

  - by John Francis

  I've got STunnel configured to proxy non SSL POP3 requests to GMail on port 111. This is working fine when STunnel is running as a desktop app, but when I run the STunnel service, I can't connect to port 111 on the machine (using Outlook Express for example). The Stunnel log file shows the port binding is succeeding, but it never sees a connection. There's something preventing the connection to that port when STunnel is running as a service? Here's stunnel.conf cert = stunnel.pem ; Some performance tunings socket = l:TCP_NODELAY=1 socket = r:TCP_NODELAY=1 ; Some debugging stuff useful for troubleshooting debug = 7 output = stunnel.log ; Use it for client mode client = yes ; Service-level configuration [gmail] accept = 127.0.0.1:111 connect = pop.gmail.com:995 stunnel.log from service 2010.10.07 12:14:22 LOG5[80444:72984]: Reading configuration from file stunnel.conf 2010.10.07 12:14:22 LOG7[80444:72984]: Snagged 64 random bytes from C:/.rnd 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG7[80444:72984]: Wrote 1024 new random bytes to C:/.rnd 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG7[80444:72984]: PRNG seeded successfully 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG7[80444:72984]: Certificate: stunnel.pem 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG7[80444:72984]: Certificate loaded 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG7[80444:72984]: Key file: stunnel.pem 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG7[80444:72984]: Private key loaded 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG7[80444:72984]: SSL context initialized for service gmail 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG5[80444:72984]: Configuration successful 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG5[80444:72984]: No limit detected for the number of clients 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG7[80444:72984]: FD=156 in non-blocking mode 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG7[80444:72984]: Option SO_REUSEADDR set on accept socket 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG7[80444:72984]: Service gmail bound to 0.0.0.0:111 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG7[80444:72984]: Service gmail opened FD=156 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG5[80444:72984]: stunnel 4.34 on x86-pc-mingw32-gnu with OpenSSL 1.0.0a 1 Jun 2010 2010.10.07 12:14:23 LOG5[80444:72984]: Threading:WIN32 SSL:ENGINE Sockets:SELECT,IPv6 stunnel.log from desktop (working) process 2010.10.07 12:10:31 LOG5[80824:81200]: Reading configuration from file stunnel.conf 2010.10.07 12:10:31 LOG7[80824:81200]: Snagged 64 random bytes from C:/.rnd 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG7[80824:81200]: Wrote 1024 new random bytes to C:/.rnd 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG7[80824:81200]: PRNG seeded successfully 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG7[80824:81200]: Certificate: stunnel.pem 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG7[80824:81200]: Certificate loaded 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG7[80824:81200]: Key file: stunnel.pem 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG7[80824:81200]: Private key loaded 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG7[80824:81200]: SSL context initialized for service gmail 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG5[80824:81200]: Configuration successful 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG5[80824:81200]: No limit detected for the number of clients 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG7[80824:81200]: FD=156 in non-blocking mode 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG7[80824:81200]: Option SO_REUSEADDR set on accept socket 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG7[80824:81200]: Service gmail bound to 0.0.0.0:111 2010.10.07 12:10:32 LOG7[80824:81200]: Service gmail opened FD=156 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG5[80824:81200]: stunnel 4.34 on x86-pc-mingw32-gnu with OpenSSL 1.0.0a 1 Jun 2010 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG5[80824:81200]: Threading:WIN32 SSL:ENGINE Sockets:SELECT,IPv6 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:81844]: Service gmail accepted FD=188 from 127.0.0.1:24813 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:81844]: Creating a new thread 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:81844]: New thread created 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: Service gmail started 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: FD=188 in non-blocking mode 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: Option TCP_NODELAY set on local socket 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG5[80824:25144]: Service gmail accepted connection from 127.0.0.1:24813 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: FD=212 in non-blocking mode 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG6[80824:25144]: connect_blocking: connecting 209.85.227.109:995 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: connect_blocking: s_poll_wait 209.85.227.109:995: waiting 10 seconds 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG5[80824:25144]: connect_blocking: connected 209.85.227.109:995 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG5[80824:25144]: Service gmail connected remote server from 192.168.1.9:24814 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: Remote FD=212 initialized 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: Option TCP_NODELAY set on remote socket 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: SSL state (connect): before/connect initialization 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: SSL state (connect): SSLv3 write client hello A 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: SSL state (connect): SSLv3 read server hello A 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: SSL state (connect): SSLv3 read server certificate A 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: SSL state (connect): SSLv3 read server done A 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: SSL state (connect): SSLv3 write client key exchange A 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: SSL state (connect): SSLv3 write change cipher spec A 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: SSL state (connect): SSLv3 write finished A 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: SSL state (connect): SSLv3 flush data 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: SSL state (connect): SSLv3 read finished A 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: 1 items in the session cache 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: 1 client connects (SSL_connect()) 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: 1 client connects that finished 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: 0 client renegotiations requested 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: 0 server connects (SSL_accept()) 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: 0 server connects that finished 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: 0 server renegotiations requested 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: 0 session cache hits 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: 0 external session cache hits 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: 0 session cache misses 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG7[80824:25144]: 0 session cache timeouts 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG6[80824:25144]: SSL connected: new session negotiated 2010.10.07 12:10:33 LOG6[80824:25144]: Negotiated ciphers: RC4-MD5 SSLv3 Kx=RSA Au=RSA Enc=RC4(128) Mac=MD5 2010.10.07 12:10:34 LOG7[80824:25144]: SSL socket closed on SSL_read 2010.10.07 12:10:34 LOG7[80824:25144]: Sending socket write shutdown 2010.10.07 12:10:34 LOG5[80824:25144]: Connection closed: 53 bytes sent to SSL, 118 bytes sent to socket 2010.10.07 12:10:34 LOG7[80824:25144]: Service gmail finished (0 left)

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• Good Books About Scaling Up Databases/Servers/etc.?

  - by Mehrdad

  I've applied for an internship at a startup company that expects its user base to grow by a large factor in a small amount of time, and so part of their project is to scale everything up so that they're ready: handling more/larger requests efficiently, handling server failures, load balancing, getting more JavaScript to run faster on the client computers, etc. Part of my job will also be figuring out what to do, so it's not obvious what my exact task will be at the moment. I was told that I should start reading up a little more about this so that I would have a little bit of an idea of what to do. What are some good books for me to read on this topic? I have a little bit of experience with the usage of MySQL (and also a little experience with web development), but in no way do I claim any knowledge on the internal workings of databases or distributed systems, so I might need readings more on the introductory side.

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• How to change the fonts used in Foxit Reader?

  - by user982438

  I really want to use Foxit Reader as my default PDF reader for its Tab Interface, and low memory footprint. Having tried mutiple times over the years the only thing that is stopping me are the Fonts. PDF in Adobe Reader looks Regular, but PDF Rendered in Foxit Looks Ugly. Would this solution works in Chrome as well? Since i record Chrome is using Foxit Reader as its embedded PDF engine. And is there any reasons why Fonts are used differently in Adobe and Foxit Reader?

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• Unable to logoff, disconnect, or reset terminal server user in production environment

  - by l0c0b0x

  I'm looking for some ideas on how to disconnect, logoff, or reset a user's session in a 2008 Terminal Server (unable to login as the user either as it is completely locked-up). This is a production environment, so rebooting the server or doing something system-wide is out of the question for now. Any Powershell tricks to help us with this? We've tried killing the session's processes too, directly from the same terminal server (from the task manager, Terminal Services Manager and the Resource Monitor) with no results. Help!

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• Windows 2008 terminal server - How to restrict access to DVD/floppy?

  - by test1839

  I has a very simple task. I need to block access to removable media (CD, DVD, floppy, USB drives etc.) on a Windows 2008 R2 Terminal Server for users and allow it for admins. I tried to enable the following policy in GPO: User Configuration/Administrative Templates/System/Removable Storage Access All Removable Storage classes: Deny all access = Enabled But it did not work. I tried different physical and virtual 2008 servers with the same result. It works on Windows 7 but not on Windows 2008. Has anyone had success with this parameter on Windows 2008? Thank you

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• If using eMule, how to keep current downloading files while adding a hard drive?

  - by the searcher

  If there are still downloading files (ones that will need extra 2 week or unknown time because they are rare files) but need to use a new hard drive because no space is left in hard drive, then is there a way to use new hard drive while keeping existing downloads ongoing? That's because if we change the folder in eMule from G: to H:, then all existing downloads will disappear too... Update: I can move the completed files over to the new hard drive... but it is going to be a never ending task... (old hard drive gets full... move some... and repeat)

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• windows server 2012 remote desktop - Send messages between standard users

  - by Scott Kramer

  Does anyone know the policy, or registry change, etc. for allowing messages (on the same server) between standard users... an elevated cmd prompt or task manager works of course... but need it to work on standard accounts. H:\>msg scott hi Error sending message to session RDP-Tcp#0 : Error 5 Error [5]:Access is denied. (This is windows server 2012) Also I recall setting something on server 2008 r2, but just can't remember what it was, so it can be done-- Thanks!

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