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  • SQLite, python, unicode, and non-utf data

    - by Nathan Spears
    I started by trying to store strings in sqlite using python, and got the message: sqlite3.ProgrammingError: You must not use 8-bit bytestrings unless you use a text_factory that can interpret 8-bit bytestrings (like text_factory = str). It is highly recommended that you instead just switch your application to Unicode strings. Ok, I switched to Unicode strings. Then I started getting the message: sqlite3.OperationalError: Could not decode to UTF-8 column 'tag_artist' with text 'Sigur Rós' when trying to retrieve data from the db. More research and I started encoding it in utf8, but then 'Sigur Rós' starts looking like 'Sigur Rós' note: My console was set to display in 'latin_1' as @John Machin pointed out. What gives? After reading this, describing exactly the same situation I'm in, it seems as if the advice is to ignore the other advice and use 8-bit bytestrings after all. I didn't know much about unicode and utf before I started this process. I've learned quite a bit in the last couple hours, but I'm still ignorant of whether there is a way to correctly convert 'ó' from latin-1 to utf-8 and not mangle it. If there isn't, why would sqlite 'highly recommend' I switch my application to unicode strings? I'm going to update this question with a summary and some example code of everything I've learned in the last 24 hours so that someone in my shoes can have an easy(er) guide. If the information I post is wrong or misleading in any way please tell me and I'll update, or one of you senior guys can update. Summary of answers Let me first state the goal as I understand it. The goal in processing various encodings, if you are trying to convert between them, is to understand what your source encoding is, then convert it to unicode using that source encoding, then convert it to your desired encoding. Unicode is a base and encodings are mappings of subsets of that base. utf_8 has room for every character in unicode, but because they aren't in the same place as, for instance, latin_1, a string encoded in utf_8 and sent to a latin_1 console will not look the way you expect. In python the process of getting to unicode and into another encoding looks like: str.decode('source_encoding').encode('desired_encoding') or if the str is already in unicode str.encode('desired_encoding') For sqlite I didn't actually want to encode it again, I wanted to decode it and leave it in unicode format. Here are four things you might need to be aware of as you try to work with unicode and encodings in python. The encoding of the string you want to work with, and the encoding you want to get it to. The system encoding. The console encoding. The encoding of the source file Elaboration: (1) When you read a string from a source, it must have some encoding, like latin_1 or utf_8. In my case, I'm getting strings from filenames, so unfortunately, I could be getting any kind of encoding. Windows XP uses UCS-2 (a Unicode system) as its native string type, which seems like cheating to me. Fortunately for me, the characters in most filenames are not going to be made up of more than one source encoding type, and I think all of mine were either completely latin_1, completely utf_8, or just plain ascii (which is a subset of both of those). So I just read them and decoded them as if they were still in latin_1 or utf_8. It's possible, though, that you could have latin_1 and utf_8 and whatever other characters mixed together in a filename on Windows. Sometimes those characters can show up as boxes, other times they just look mangled, and other times they look correct (accented characters and whatnot). Moving on. (2) Python has a default system encoding that gets set when python starts and can't be changed during runtime. See here for details. Dirty summary ... well here's the file I added: \# sitecustomize.py \# this file can be anywhere in your Python path, \# but it usually goes in ${pythondir}/lib/site-packages/ import sys sys.setdefaultencoding('utf_8') This system encoding is the one that gets used when you use the unicode("str") function without any other encoding parameters. To say that another way, python tries to decode "str" to unicode based on the default system encoding. (3) If you're using IDLE or the command-line python, I think that your console will display according to the default system encoding. I am using pydev with eclipse for some reason, so I had to go into my project settings, edit the launch configuration properties of my test script, go to the Common tab, and change the console from latin-1 to utf-8 so that I could visually confirm what I was doing was working. (4) If you want to have some test strings, eg test_str = "ó" in your source code, then you will have to tell python what kind of encoding you are using in that file. (FYI: when I mistyped an encoding I had to ctrl-Z because my file became unreadable.) This is easily accomplished by putting a line like so at the top of your source code file: # -*- coding: utf_8 -*- If you don't have this information, python attempts to parse your code as ascii by default, and so: SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xf3' in file _redacted_ on line 81, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details Once your program is working correctly, or, if you aren't using python's console or any other console to look at output, then you will probably really only care about #1 on the list. System default and console encoding are not that important unless you need to look at output and/or you are using the builtin unicode() function (without any encoding parameters) instead of the string.decode() function. I wrote a demo function I will paste into the bottom of this gigantic mess that I hope correctly demonstrates the items in my list. Here is some of the output when I run the character 'ó' through the demo function, showing how various methods react to the character as input. My system encoding and console output are both set to utf_8 for this run: '?' = original char <type 'str'> repr(char)='\xf3' '?' = unicode(char) ERROR: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xf3 in position 0: unexpected end of data 'ó' = char.decode('latin_1') <type 'unicode'> repr(char.decode('latin_1'))=u'\xf3' '?' = char.decode('utf_8') ERROR: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xf3 in position 0: unexpected end of data Now I will change the system and console encoding to latin_1, and I get this output for the same input: 'ó' = original char <type 'str'> repr(char)='\xf3' 'ó' = unicode(char) <type 'unicode'> repr(unicode(char))=u'\xf3' 'ó' = char.decode('latin_1') <type 'unicode'> repr(char.decode('latin_1'))=u'\xf3' '?' = char.decode('utf_8') ERROR: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xf3 in position 0: unexpected end of data Notice that the 'original' character displays correctly and the builtin unicode() function works now. Now I change my console output back to utf_8. '?' = original char <type 'str'> repr(char)='\xf3' '?' = unicode(char) <type 'unicode'> repr(unicode(char))=u'\xf3' '?' = char.decode('latin_1') <type 'unicode'> repr(char.decode('latin_1'))=u'\xf3' '?' = char.decode('utf_8') ERROR: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xf3 in position 0: unexpected end of data Here everything still works the same as last time but the console can't display the output correctly. Etc. The function below also displays more information that this and hopefully would help someone figure out where the gap in their understanding is. I know all this information is in other places and more thoroughly dealt with there, but I hope that this would be a good kickoff point for someone trying to get coding with python and/or sqlite. Ideas are great but sometimes source code can save you a day or two of trying to figure out what functions do what. Disclaimers: I'm no encoding expert, I put this together to help my own understanding. I kept building on it when I should have probably started passing functions as arguments to avoid so much redundant code, so if I can I'll make it more concise. Also, utf_8 and latin_1 are by no means the only encoding schemes, they are just the two I was playing around with because I think they handle everything I need. Add your own encoding schemes to the demo function and test your own input. One more thing: there are apparently crazy application developers making life difficult in Windows. #!/usr/bin/env python # -*- coding: utf_8 -*- import os import sys def encodingDemo(str): validStrings = () try: print "str =",str,"{0} repr(str) = {1}".format(type(str), repr(str)) validStrings += ((str,""),) except UnicodeEncodeError as ude: print "Couldn't print the str itself because the console is set to an encoding that doesn't understand some character in the string. See error:\n\t", print ude try: x = unicode(str) print "unicode(str) = ",x validStrings+= ((x, " decoded into unicode by the default system encoding"),) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "ERROR. unicode(str) couldn't decode the string because the system encoding is set to an encoding that doesn't understand some character in the string." print "\tThe system encoding is set to {0}. See error:\n\t".format(sys.getdefaultencoding()), print ude except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "ERROR. Couldn't print the unicode(str) because the console is set to an encoding that doesn't understand some character in the string. See error:\n\t", print uee try: x = str.decode('latin_1') print "str.decode('latin_1') =",x validStrings+= ((x, " decoded with latin_1 into unicode"),) try: print "str.decode('latin_1').encode('utf_8') =",str.decode('latin_1').encode('utf_8') validStrings+= ((x, " decoded with latin_1 into unicode and encoded into utf_8"),) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "The string was decoded into unicode using the latin_1 encoding, but couldn't be encoded into utf_8. See error:\n\t", print ude except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "Something didn't work, probably because the string wasn't latin_1 encoded. See error:\n\t", print ude except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "ERROR. Couldn't print the str.decode('latin_1') because the console is set to an encoding that doesn't understand some character in the string. See error:\n\t", print uee try: x = str.decode('utf_8') print "str.decode('utf_8') =",x validStrings+= ((x, " decoded with utf_8 into unicode"),) try: print "str.decode('utf_8').encode('latin_1') =",str.decode('utf_8').encode('latin_1') except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "str.decode('utf_8').encode('latin_1') didn't work. The string was decoded into unicode using the utf_8 encoding, but couldn't be encoded into latin_1. See error:\n\t", validStrings+= ((x, " decoded with utf_8 into unicode and encoded into latin_1"),) print ude except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "str.decode('utf_8') didn't work, probably because the string wasn't utf_8 encoded. See error:\n\t", print ude except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "ERROR. Couldn't print the str.decode('utf_8') because the console is set to an encoding that doesn't understand some character in the string. See error:\n\t",uee print print "Printing information about each character in the original string." for char in str: try: print "\t'" + char + "' = original char {0} repr(char)={1}".format(type(char), repr(char)) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "\t'?' = original char {0} repr(char)={1} ERROR PRINTING: {2}".format(type(char), repr(char), ude) except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "\t'?' = original char {0} repr(char)={1} ERROR PRINTING: {2}".format(type(char), repr(char), uee) print uee try: x = unicode(char) print "\t'" + x + "' = unicode(char) {1} repr(unicode(char))={2}".format(x, type(x), repr(x)) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "\t'?' = unicode(char) ERROR: {0}".format(ude) except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "\t'?' = unicode(char) {0} repr(char)={1} ERROR PRINTING: {2}".format(type(x), repr(x), uee) try: x = char.decode('latin_1') print "\t'" + x + "' = char.decode('latin_1') {1} repr(char.decode('latin_1'))={2}".format(x, type(x), repr(x)) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "\t'?' = char.decode('latin_1') ERROR: {0}".format(ude) except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "\t'?' = char.decode('latin_1') {0} repr(char)={1} ERROR PRINTING: {2}".format(type(x), repr(x), uee) try: x = char.decode('utf_8') print "\t'" + x + "' = char.decode('utf_8') {1} repr(char.decode('utf_8'))={2}".format(x, type(x), repr(x)) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "\t'?' = char.decode('utf_8') ERROR: {0}".format(ude) except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "\t'?' = char.decode('utf_8') {0} repr(char)={1} ERROR PRINTING: {2}".format(type(x), repr(x), uee) print x = 'ó' encodingDemo(x) Much thanks for the answers below and especially to @John Machin for answering so thoroughly.

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  • SQLite, python, unicode, and non-utf data

    - by Nathan Spears
    I started by trying to store strings in sqlite using python, and got the message: sqlite3.ProgrammingError: You must not use 8-bit bytestrings unless you use a text_factory that can interpret 8-bit bytestrings (like text_factory = str). It is highly recommended that you instead just switch your application to Unicode strings. Ok, I switched to Unicode strings. Then I started getting the message: sqlite3.OperationalError: Could not decode to UTF-8 column 'tag_artist' with text 'Sigur Rós' when trying to retrieve data from the db. More research and I started encoding it in utf8, but then 'Sigur Rós' starts looking like 'Sigur Rós' note: My console was set to display in 'latin_1' as @John Machin pointed out. What gives? After reading this, describing exactly the same situation I'm in, it seems as if the advice is to ignore the other advice and use 8-bit bytestrings after all. I didn't know much about unicode and utf before I started this process. I've learned quite a bit in the last couple hours, but I'm still ignorant of whether there is a way to correctly convert 'ó' from latin-1 to utf-8 and not mangle it. If there isn't, why would sqlite 'highly recommend' I switch my application to unicode strings? I'm going to update this question with a summary and some example code of everything I've learned in the last 24 hours so that someone in my shoes can have an easy(er) guide. If the information I post is wrong or misleading in any way please tell me and I'll update, or one of you senior guys can update. Summary of answers Let me first state the goal as I understand it. The goal in processing various encodings, if you are trying to convert between them, is to understand what your source encoding is, then convert it to unicode using that source encoding, then convert it to your desired encoding. Unicode is a base and encodings are mappings of subsets of that base. utf_8 has room for every character in unicode, but because they aren't in the same place as, for instance, latin_1, a string encoded in utf_8 and sent to a latin_1 console will not look the way you expect. In python the process of getting to unicode and into another encoding looks like: str.decode('source_encoding').encode('desired_encoding') or if the str is already in unicode str.encode('desired_encoding') For sqlite I didn't actually want to encode it again, I wanted to decode it and leave it in unicode format. Here are four things you might need to be aware of as you try to work with unicode and encodings in python. The encoding of the string you want to work with, and the encoding you want to get it to. The system encoding. The console encoding. The encoding of the source file Elaboration: (1) When you read a string from a source, it must have some encoding, like latin_1 or utf_8. In my case, I'm getting strings from filenames, so unfortunately, I could be getting any kind of encoding. Windows XP uses UCS-2 (a Unicode system) as its native string type, which seems like cheating to me. Fortunately for me, the characters in most filenames are not going to be made up of more than one source encoding type, and I think all of mine were either completely latin_1, completely utf_8, or just plain ascii (which is a subset of both of those). So I just read them and decoded them as if they were still in latin_1 or utf_8. It's possible, though, that you could have latin_1 and utf_8 and whatever other characters mixed together in a filename on Windows. Sometimes those characters can show up as boxes, other times they just look mangled, and other times they look correct (accented characters and whatnot). Moving on. (2) Python has a default system encoding that gets set when python starts and can't be changed during runtime. See here for details. Dirty summary ... well here's the file I added: \# sitecustomize.py \# this file can be anywhere in your Python path, \# but it usually goes in ${pythondir}/lib/site-packages/ import sys sys.setdefaultencoding('utf_8') This system encoding is the one that gets used when you use the unicode("str") function without any other encoding parameters. To say that another way, python tries to decode "str" to unicode based on the default system encoding. (3) If you're using IDLE or the command-line python, I think that your console will display according to the default system encoding. I am using pydev with eclipse for some reason, so I had to go into my project settings, edit the launch configuration properties of my test script, go to the Common tab, and change the console from latin-1 to utf-8 so that I could visually confirm what I was doing was working. (4) If you want to have some test strings, eg test_str = "ó" in your source code, then you will have to tell python what kind of encoding you are using in that file. (FYI: when I mistyped an encoding I had to ctrl-Z because my file became unreadable.) This is easily accomplished by putting a line like so at the top of your source code file: # -*- coding: utf_8 -*- If you don't have this information, python attempts to parse your code as ascii by default, and so: SyntaxError: Non-ASCII character '\xf3' in file _redacted_ on line 81, but no encoding declared; see http://www.python.org/peps/pep-0263.html for details Once your program is working correctly, or, if you aren't using python's console or any other console to look at output, then you will probably really only care about #1 on the list. System default and console encoding are not that important unless you need to look at output and/or you are using the builtin unicode() function (without any encoding parameters) instead of the string.decode() function. I wrote a demo function I will paste into the bottom of this gigantic mess that I hope correctly demonstrates the items in my list. Here is some of the output when I run the character 'ó' through the demo function, showing how various methods react to the character as input. My system encoding and console output are both set to utf_8 for this run: '?' = original char <type 'str'> repr(char)='\xf3' '?' = unicode(char) ERROR: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xf3 in position 0: unexpected end of data 'ó' = char.decode('latin_1') <type 'unicode'> repr(char.decode('latin_1'))=u'\xf3' '?' = char.decode('utf_8') ERROR: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xf3 in position 0: unexpected end of data Now I will change the system and console encoding to latin_1, and I get this output for the same input: 'ó' = original char <type 'str'> repr(char)='\xf3' 'ó' = unicode(char) <type 'unicode'> repr(unicode(char))=u'\xf3' 'ó' = char.decode('latin_1') <type 'unicode'> repr(char.decode('latin_1'))=u'\xf3' '?' = char.decode('utf_8') ERROR: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xf3 in position 0: unexpected end of data Notice that the 'original' character displays correctly and the builtin unicode() function works now. Now I change my console output back to utf_8. '?' = original char <type 'str'> repr(char)='\xf3' '?' = unicode(char) <type 'unicode'> repr(unicode(char))=u'\xf3' '?' = char.decode('latin_1') <type 'unicode'> repr(char.decode('latin_1'))=u'\xf3' '?' = char.decode('utf_8') ERROR: 'utf8' codec can't decode byte 0xf3 in position 0: unexpected end of data Here everything still works the same as last time but the console can't display the output correctly. Etc. The function below also displays more information that this and hopefully would help someone figure out where the gap in their understanding is. I know all this information is in other places and more thoroughly dealt with there, but I hope that this would be a good kickoff point for someone trying to get coding with python and/or sqlite. Ideas are great but sometimes source code can save you a day or two of trying to figure out what functions do what. Disclaimers: I'm no encoding expert, I put this together to help my own understanding. I kept building on it when I should have probably started passing functions as arguments to avoid so much redundant code, so if I can I'll make it more concise. Also, utf_8 and latin_1 are by no means the only encoding schemes, they are just the two I was playing around with because I think they handle everything I need. Add your own encoding schemes to the demo function and test your own input. One more thing: there are apparently crazy application developers making life difficult in Windows. #!/usr/bin/env python # -*- coding: utf_8 -*- import os import sys def encodingDemo(str): validStrings = () try: print "str =",str,"{0} repr(str) = {1}".format(type(str), repr(str)) validStrings += ((str,""),) except UnicodeEncodeError as ude: print "Couldn't print the str itself because the console is set to an encoding that doesn't understand some character in the string. See error:\n\t", print ude try: x = unicode(str) print "unicode(str) = ",x validStrings+= ((x, " decoded into unicode by the default system encoding"),) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "ERROR. unicode(str) couldn't decode the string because the system encoding is set to an encoding that doesn't understand some character in the string." print "\tThe system encoding is set to {0}. See error:\n\t".format(sys.getdefaultencoding()), print ude except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "ERROR. Couldn't print the unicode(str) because the console is set to an encoding that doesn't understand some character in the string. See error:\n\t", print uee try: x = str.decode('latin_1') print "str.decode('latin_1') =",x validStrings+= ((x, " decoded with latin_1 into unicode"),) try: print "str.decode('latin_1').encode('utf_8') =",str.decode('latin_1').encode('utf_8') validStrings+= ((x, " decoded with latin_1 into unicode and encoded into utf_8"),) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "The string was decoded into unicode using the latin_1 encoding, but couldn't be encoded into utf_8. See error:\n\t", print ude except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "Something didn't work, probably because the string wasn't latin_1 encoded. See error:\n\t", print ude except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "ERROR. Couldn't print the str.decode('latin_1') because the console is set to an encoding that doesn't understand some character in the string. See error:\n\t", print uee try: x = str.decode('utf_8') print "str.decode('utf_8') =",x validStrings+= ((x, " decoded with utf_8 into unicode"),) try: print "str.decode('utf_8').encode('latin_1') =",str.decode('utf_8').encode('latin_1') except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "str.decode('utf_8').encode('latin_1') didn't work. The string was decoded into unicode using the utf_8 encoding, but couldn't be encoded into latin_1. See error:\n\t", validStrings+= ((x, " decoded with utf_8 into unicode and encoded into latin_1"),) print ude except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "str.decode('utf_8') didn't work, probably because the string wasn't utf_8 encoded. See error:\n\t", print ude except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "ERROR. Couldn't print the str.decode('utf_8') because the console is set to an encoding that doesn't understand some character in the string. See error:\n\t",uee print print "Printing information about each character in the original string." for char in str: try: print "\t'" + char + "' = original char {0} repr(char)={1}".format(type(char), repr(char)) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "\t'?' = original char {0} repr(char)={1} ERROR PRINTING: {2}".format(type(char), repr(char), ude) except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "\t'?' = original char {0} repr(char)={1} ERROR PRINTING: {2}".format(type(char), repr(char), uee) print uee try: x = unicode(char) print "\t'" + x + "' = unicode(char) {1} repr(unicode(char))={2}".format(x, type(x), repr(x)) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "\t'?' = unicode(char) ERROR: {0}".format(ude) except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "\t'?' = unicode(char) {0} repr(char)={1} ERROR PRINTING: {2}".format(type(x), repr(x), uee) try: x = char.decode('latin_1') print "\t'" + x + "' = char.decode('latin_1') {1} repr(char.decode('latin_1'))={2}".format(x, type(x), repr(x)) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "\t'?' = char.decode('latin_1') ERROR: {0}".format(ude) except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "\t'?' = char.decode('latin_1') {0} repr(char)={1} ERROR PRINTING: {2}".format(type(x), repr(x), uee) try: x = char.decode('utf_8') print "\t'" + x + "' = char.decode('utf_8') {1} repr(char.decode('utf_8'))={2}".format(x, type(x), repr(x)) except UnicodeDecodeError as ude: print "\t'?' = char.decode('utf_8') ERROR: {0}".format(ude) except UnicodeEncodeError as uee: print "\t'?' = char.decode('utf_8') {0} repr(char)={1} ERROR PRINTING: {2}".format(type(x), repr(x), uee) print x = 'ó' encodingDemo(x) Much thanks for the answers below and especially to @John Machin for answering so thoroughly.

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  • Asp.NET custom templated datalist throws argument out of range (index) on button press

    - by MrTortoise
    I have a class BaseTemplate public abstract class BaseTemplate : ITemplate This adds the controls, and provides abstract methods to implement in the inheriting class. The inheriting class then adds its html according to its data source and manages the data binding. This all works fine - I get the control appearing with properly parsed html. The problem is that the base class adds controls into the template that have their own CommandName arguments; the idea is that the class that implements the custom templated dataList will provide the logic of setting the Selected and Edit Indexes. This class also manages the data binding, etc. It sets all of the templates on the datalist in the Init method (which was another cause of this exception). The exception gets thrown when I hit one of these buttons - I have tried hooking up both their click and command events everywhere in case this was the problem. I have also ensured that their command names do not match any of the system ones. The stack trace does not include any references to my methods or objects which is why I am so stuck. It is the most unhelpful message I can imagine. The really frustrating thing is that I cannot get a breakpoint to fire - i.e. the problem is happening after I click the button, but before and of my code can execute. The last time this exception happened was when I had this code in a user control and was assigning the templates to the datalist in the PageLoad. I moved these into init to fix that problem; however, this is a problem that was there then and I have no idea what is causing it let alone how to solve it (and index out of range doesn't really help without knowing what index.) The Exception Details Exception Details: System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Specified argument was out of the range of valid values. Parameter name: index The Stack Trace: [ArgumentOutOfRangeException: Specified argument was out of the range of valid values. Parameter name: index] System.Web.UI.ControlCollection.get_Item(Int32 index) +8665582 System.Web.UI.WebControls.DataList.GetItem(ListItemType itemType, Int32 repeatIndex) +8667655 System.Web.UI.WebControls.DataList.System.Web.UI.WebControls.IRepeatInfoUser.GetItemStyle(ListItemType itemType, Int32 repeatIndex) +11 System.Web.UI.WebControls.RepeatInfo.RenderVerticalRepeater(HtmlTextWriter writer, IRepeatInfoUser user, Style controlStyle, WebControl baseControl) +8640873 System.Web.UI.WebControls.RepeatInfo.RenderRepeater(HtmlTextWriter writer, IRepeatInfoUser user, Style controlStyle, WebControl baseControl) +27 System.Web.UI.WebControls.DataList.RenderContents(HtmlTextWriter writer) +208 System.Web.UI.WebControls.BaseDataList.Render(HtmlTextWriter writer) +30 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderControlInternal(HtmlTextWriter writer, ControlAdapter adapter) +27 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderControl(HtmlTextWriter writer, ControlAdapter adapter) +99 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderControl(HtmlTextWriter writer) +25 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderChildrenInternal(HtmlTextWriter writer, ICollection children) +134 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderChildren(HtmlTextWriter writer) +19 System.Web.UI.HtmlControls.HtmlForm.RenderChildren(HtmlTextWriter writer) +163 System.Web.UI.HtmlControls.HtmlContainerControl.Render(HtmlTextWriter writer) +32 System.Web.UI.HtmlControls.HtmlForm.Render(HtmlTextWriter output) +51 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderControlInternal(HtmlTextWriter writer, ControlAdapter adapter) +27 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderControl(HtmlTextWriter writer, ControlAdapter adapter) +99 System.Web.UI.HtmlControls.HtmlForm.RenderControl(HtmlTextWriter writer) +40 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderChildrenInternal(HtmlTextWriter writer, ICollection children) +134 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderChildren(HtmlTextWriter writer) +19 System.Web.UI.Page.Render(HtmlTextWriter writer) +29 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderControlInternal(HtmlTextWriter writer, ControlAdapter adapter) +27 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderControl(HtmlTextWriter writer, ControlAdapter adapter) +99 System.Web.UI.Control.RenderControl(HtmlTextWriter writer) +25 System.Web.UI.Page.ProcessRequestMain(Boolean includeStagesBeforeAsyncPoint, Boolean includeStagesAfterAsyncPoint) +1266 The code Base class: public abstract class BaseTemplate : ITemplate { ListItemType _templateType; public BaseTemplate(ListItemType theTemplateType) { _templateType = theTemplateType; } public ListItemType ListItemType { get { return _templateType; } } #region ITemplate Members public void InstantiateIn(Control container) { PlaceHolder ph = new PlaceHolder(); container.Controls.Add(ph); Literal l = new Literal(); switch (_templateType) { case ListItemType.Header: { ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<table><tr>")); InstantiateInHeader(ph); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</tr>")); break; } case ListItemType.Footer: { ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<tr>")); InstantiateInFooter(ph); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</tr></table>")); break; } case ListItemType.Item: { ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<tr>")); InstantiateInItem(ph); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<td>")); Button select = new Button(); select.ID = "btnSelect"; select.CommandName = "SelectRow"; select.Text = "Select"; ph.Controls.Add(select); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td>")); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</tr>")); ph.DataBinding += new EventHandler(ph_DataBinding); break; } case ListItemType.AlternatingItem: { ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<tr>")); InstantiateInAlternatingItem(ph); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<td>")); Button select = new Button(); select.ID = "btnSelect"; select.CommandName = "SelectRow"; select.Text = "Select"; ph.Controls.Add(select); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td>")); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</tr>")); ph.DataBinding+=new EventHandler(ph_DataBinding); break; } case ListItemType.SelectedItem: { ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<tr>")); InstantiateInItem(ph); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<td>")); Button edit = new Button(); edit.ID = "btnEdit"; edit.CommandName = "EditRow"; edit.Text = "Edit"; ph.Controls.Add(edit); Button delete = new Button(); delete.ID = "btnDelete"; delete.CommandName = "DeleteRow"; delete.Text = "Delete"; ph.Controls.Add(delete); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td>")); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</tr>")); ph.DataBinding += new EventHandler(ph_DataBinding); break; } case ListItemType.EditItem: { ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<tr>")); InstantiateInEdit(ph); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<td>")); Button save = new Button(); save.ID = "btnSave"; save.CommandName = "SaveRow"; save.Text = "Save"; ph.Controls.Add(save); Button cancel = new Button(); cancel.ID = "btnCancel"; cancel.CommandName = "CancelRow"; cancel.Text = "Cancel"; ph.Controls.Add(cancel); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td>")); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</tr>")); ph.DataBinding += new EventHandler(ph_DataBinding); break; } case ListItemType.Separator: { InstantiateInSeperator(ph); break; } } } void ph_DataBinding(object sender, EventArgs e) { DataBindingOverride(sender, e); } /// <summary> /// the controls placed into the PlaceHolder will get wrapped in &lt;table&gt;&lt;tr&gt; &lt;/tr&gt;. I.e. you need to provide the column names wrapped in &lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt; tags. /// </summary> /// <param name="header"></param> public abstract void InstantiateInHeader(PlaceHolder ph); /// <summary> /// the controls will have a column added after them and so require each column to be properly wrapped in &lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt; tags. The &lt;tr&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; is handled in the base class. /// </summary> /// <param name="ph"></param> public abstract void InstantiateInItem(PlaceHolder ph); /// <summary> /// the controls will have a column added after them and so require each column to be properly wrapped in &lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt; tags. The &lt;tr&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; is handled in the base class. /// </summary> /// <param name="ph"></param> public abstract void InstantiateInAlternatingItem(PlaceHolder ph); /// <summary> /// the controls will have a column added after them and so require each column to be properly wrapped in &lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt; tags. The &lt;tr&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; is handled in the base class. /// </summary> /// <param name="ph"></param> public abstract void InstantiateInEdit(PlaceHolder ph); /// <summary> /// Any html used in the footer will have &lt;/tr&gt;&lt;table&gt; appended to the end. /// &lt;tr&gt; will be appended to the front. /// </summary> /// <param name="ph"></param> public abstract void InstantiateInFooter(PlaceHolder ph); /// <summary> /// the controls will have a column added after them and so require each column to be properly wrapped in &lt;td&gt;&lt;/td&gt; tags. The &lt;tr&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; is handled in the base class. /// Adds Delete and Edit Buttons after the table contents. /// </summary> /// <param name="ph"></param> public abstract void InstantiateInSelectedItem(PlaceHolder ph); /// <summary> /// The base class provides no &lt;tr&gt;&lt;/tr&gt; tags /// </summary> /// <param name="ph"></param> public abstract void InstantiateInSeperator(PlaceHolder ph); /// <summary> /// Use this method to bind the controls to their data. /// </summary> /// <param name="sender"></param> /// <param name="e"></param> public abstract void DataBindingOverride(object sender, EventArgs e); #endregion } Inheriting class: public class NominalGroupTemplate : BaseTemplate { public NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType theListItemType) : base(theListItemType) { } public override void InstantiateInHeader(PlaceHolder ph) { ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<td>ID</td><td>Group</td><td>IsPositive</td>")); } public override void InstantiateInItem(PlaceHolder ph) { ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<td>")); Label lblID = new Label(); lblID.ID = "lblID"; ph.Controls.Add(lblID); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td><td>")); Label lblGroup = new Label(); lblGroup.ID = "lblGroup"; ph.Controls.Add(lblGroup); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td><td>")); CheckBox chkIsPositive = new CheckBox(); chkIsPositive.ID = "chkIsPositive"; chkIsPositive.Enabled = false; ph.Controls.Add(chkIsPositive); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td>")); } public override void InstantiateInAlternatingItem(PlaceHolder ph) { InstantiateInItem(ph); } public override void InstantiateInEdit(PlaceHolder ph) { ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<td>")); Label lblID = new Label(); lblID.ID = "lblID"; ph.Controls.Add(lblID); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td><td>")); TextBox txtGroup = new TextBox(); txtGroup.ID = "txtGroup"; txtGroup.Visible = true; txtGroup.Enabled = true ; ph.Controls.Add(txtGroup); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td><td>")); CheckBox chkIsPositive = new CheckBox(); chkIsPositive.ID = "chkIsPositive"; chkIsPositive.Visible = true; chkIsPositive.Enabled = true ; ph.Controls.Add(chkIsPositive); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td>")); } public override void InstantiateInFooter(PlaceHolder ph) { InstantiateInHeader(ph); } public override void InstantiateInSelectedItem(PlaceHolder ph) { ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"<td>")); Label lblID = new Label(); lblID.ID = "lblID"; ph.Controls.Add(lblID); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td><td>")); TextBox txtGroup = new TextBox(); txtGroup.ID = "txtGroup"; txtGroup.Visible = true; txtGroup.Enabled = false; ph.Controls.Add(txtGroup); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td><td>")); CheckBox chkIsPositive = new CheckBox(); chkIsPositive.ID = "chkIsPositive"; chkIsPositive.Visible = true; chkIsPositive.Enabled = false; ph.Controls.Add(chkIsPositive); ph.Controls.Add(new LiteralControl(@"</td>")); } public override void InstantiateInSeperator(PlaceHolder ph) { } public override void DataBindingOverride(object sender, EventArgs e) { PlaceHolder ph = (PlaceHolder)sender; DataListItem li = (DataListItem)ph.NamingContainer; int id = Convert.ToInt32(DataBinder.Eval(li.DataItem, "ID")); string group = (string)DataBinder.Eval(li.DataItem, "Group"); bool isPositive = Convert.ToBoolean(DataBinder.Eval(li.DataItem, "IsPositive")); switch (this.ListItemType) { case ListItemType.Item: case ListItemType.AlternatingItem: { ((Label)ph.FindControl("lblID")).Text = id.ToString(); ((Label)ph.FindControl("lblGroup")).Text = group; ((CheckBox)ph.FindControl("chkIsPositive")).Text = isPositive.ToString(); break; } case ListItemType.EditItem: case ListItemType.SelectedItem: { ((TextBox)ph.FindControl("lblID")).Text = id.ToString(); ((TextBox)ph.FindControl("txtGroup")).Text = group; ((CheckBox)ph.FindControl("chkIsPositive")).Text = isPositive.ToString(); break; } } } } From here I added the control to a page the code behind public partial class NominalGroupbroke : System.Web.UI.UserControl { public void SetNominalGroupList(IList<BONominalGroup> theNominalGroups) { XElement data = Serialiser<BONominalGroup>.SerialiseObjectList(theNominalGroups); ViewState.Add("nominalGroups", data.ToString()); dlNominalGroup.DataSource = theNominalGroups; dlNominalGroup.DataBind(); } protected void Page_init() { dlNominalGroup.HeaderTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.Header); dlNominalGroup.ItemTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.Item); dlNominalGroup.AlternatingItemTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.AlternatingItem); dlNominalGroup.SeparatorTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.Separator); dlNominalGroup.SelectedItemTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.SelectedItem); dlNominalGroup.EditItemTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.EditItem); dlNominalGroup.FooterTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.Footer); } protected void Page_Load(object sender, EventArgs e) { dlNominalGroup.ItemCommand += new DataListCommandEventHandler(dlNominalGroup_ItemCommand); } void dlNominalGroup_Init(object sender, EventArgs e) { dlNominalGroup.HeaderTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.Header); dlNominalGroup.ItemTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.Item); dlNominalGroup.AlternatingItemTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.AlternatingItem); dlNominalGroup.SeparatorTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.Separator); dlNominalGroup.SelectedItemTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.SelectedItem); dlNominalGroup.EditItemTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.EditItem); dlNominalGroup.FooterTemplate = new NominalGroupTemplate(ListItemType.Footer); } void dlNominalGroup_DataBinding(object sender, EventArgs e) { } void deleteNominalGroup(int index) { XElement data = XElement.Parse(Convert.ToString( ViewState["nominalGroups"] )); IList<BONominalGroup> list = Serialiser<BONominalGroup>.DeserialiseObjectList(data); FENominalGroup.DeleteNominalGroup(list[index].ID); list.RemoveAt(index); data = Serialiser<BONominalGroup>.SerialiseObjectList(list); ViewState["nominalGroups"] = data.ToString(); dlNominalGroup.DataSource = list; dlNominalGroup.DataBind(); } void updateNominalGroup(DataListItem theItem) { XElement data = XElement.Parse(Convert.ToString( ViewState["nominalGroups"])); IList<BONominalGroup> list = Serialiser<BONominalGroup>.DeserialiseObjectList(data); BONominalGroup old = list[theItem.ItemIndex]; BONominalGroup n = new BONominalGroup(); byte id = Convert.ToByte(((TextBox)theItem.FindControl("lblID")).Text); string group = ((TextBox)theItem.FindControl("txtGroup")).Text; bool isPositive = Convert.ToBoolean(((CheckBox)theItem.FindControl("chkIsPositive")).Text); n.ID = id; n.Group = group; n.IsPositive = isPositive; FENominalGroup.UpdateNominalGroup(old, n); list[theItem.ItemIndex] = n; data = Serialiser<BONominalGroup>.SerialiseObjectList(list); ViewState["nominalGroups"] = data.ToString(); } void dlNominalGroup_ItemCommand(object source, DataListCommandEventArgs e) { DataList l = (DataList)source; switch (e.CommandName) { case "SelectRow": { if (l.EditItemIndex == -1) { l.SelectedIndex = e.Item.ItemIndex; l.EditItemIndex = -1; } break; } case "EditRow": { if (l.SelectedIndex == e.Item.ItemIndex) { l.EditItemIndex = e.Item.ItemIndex; } break; } case "DeleteRow": { deleteNominalGroup(e.Item.ItemIndex); l.EditItemIndex = -1; try { l.SelectedIndex = e.Item.ItemIndex; } catch { l.SelectedIndex = -1; } break; } case "CancelRow": { l.SelectedIndex = l.EditItemIndex; l.EditItemIndex = -1; break; } case "SaveRow": { updateNominalGroup(e.Item); try { l.SelectedIndex = e.Item.ItemIndex; } catch { l.SelectedIndex = -1; } l.EditItemIndex = -1; break; } } } Lots of code there, I'm afraid, but it should build. Thanks if anyone manages to spot my silliness. The BONominalGroup class (please ignore my crazy getHash override, I'm not proud of it). IAudit can just be an empty interface here and all will be fine. It used to inherit from another class, I have cleaned that out - so the serialization logic may be broken here. public class BONominalGroup { public BONominalGroup() #region Fields and properties private Int16 _ID; public Int16 ID { get { return _ID; } set { _ID = value; } } private string _group; public string Group { get { return _group; } set { _group = value; } } private bool _isPositve; public bool IsPositive { get { return _isPositve; } set { _isPositve = value; } } #endregion public override bool Equals(object obj) { bool retVal = false; BONominalGroup ng = obj as BONominalGroup; if (ng!=null) if (ng._group == this._group && ng._ID == this.ID && ng.IsPositive == this.IsPositive) { retVal = true; } return retVal; } public override int GetHashCode() { return ToString().GetHashCode(); } public override string ToString() { return "BONominalGroup{ID:" + this.ID.ToString() + ",Group:" + this.Group.ToString() + ",IsPositive:" + this.IsPositive.ToString() + "," + "}"; } #region IXmlSerializable Members public override void ReadXml(XmlReader reader) { reader.ReadStartElement("BONominalGroup"); this.ID = Convert.ToByte(reader.ReadElementString("id")); this.Group = reader.ReadElementString("group"); this.IsPositive = Convert.ToBoolean(reader.ReadElementString("isPositive")); base.ReadXml(reader); reader.ReadEndElement(); } public override void WriteXml(XmlWriter writer) { writer.WriteElementString("id", this.ID.ToString()); writer.WriteElementString("group", this.Group); writer.WriteElementString("isPositive", this.IsPositive.ToString()); // writer.WriteStartElement("BOBase"); // base.WriteXml(writer); writer.WriteEndElement(); } #endregion }

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