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• Installing SSL certs with nginx on Amazon EC2

  - by Ethan

  I finally got a cert from an authority and am struggling to get things working. I've created the appropriate combined certificate (personal + intermediate + root) and nginx is pointing to it. I got an elastic IP and connected it to my EC2 instance. My DNS records point to that IP. But when I point the browser to the hostname, I get the standard "Connection Untrusted" bit, with ssl_error_bad_cert_domain. Port 443 is open - I can get to the site over https if I ignore the warning. Weird thing is, under technical details, it lists the domain I tried to access as valid! When I try and diagnose with ssl testing sites, they don't even detect a certificate! What am I missing here? domain is yanlj.coinculture.info. Note I've got coinculture.info running on a home server without a dedicated IP and have the same problem, but I'll be moving that to the same EC2 instance as soon as I figure this thing out. I thought the elastic IP would solve things but it hasn't

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• Why shibboleth IdP idp-metadata.xml recommends 8443 for SOAP?

  - by toma

  After the install.sh of 2.4.0 Shibboleth Identity Server, the idp-metadata.xml file is created. Why is that? Is not enough secure to use the standard HTTPS/443 port? <ArtifactResolutionService Binding="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:1.0:bindings:SOAP-binding" Location="https://idp.example.com:8443/idp/profile/SAML1/SOAP/ArtifactResolution" index="1"/> <ArtifactResolutionService Binding="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:bindings:SOAP" Location="https://idp.example.com:8443/idp/profile/SAML2/SOAP/ArtifactResolution" index="2"/> <SingleLogoutService Binding="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:bindings:SOAP" Location="https://idp.example.com:8443/idp/profile/SAML2/SOAP/SLO" /> <AttributeService Binding="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:1.0:bindings:SOAP-binding" Location="https://idp.example.com:8443/idp/profile/SAML1/SOAP/AttributeQuery"/> <AttributeService Binding="urn:oasis:names:tc:SAML:2.0:bindings:SOAP" Location="https://idp.example.com:8443/idp/profile/SAML2/SOAP/AttributeQuery"/> Thanks, Tamas

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• IIS 7.5 Rewrite help needed

  - by Nolan Berry

  I am trying to do something extremely straightforward. I just need to force SSL and I am trying to use the URl Rewrite plugin. I am getting no results when I put the following rule into my conf. <rewrite> <rules> <rule name="Redirect to https" stopProcessing="true"> <match url="(.*)[^/])$" /> <conditions> <add input="{SERVER_PORT}" pattern="443" negate="true" /> </conditions> <action type="Redirect" url="https://{HTTP_HOST}{REQUEST_URI}" /> </rule> </rules> </rewrite> Any thoughts on why this isn't catching?

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• Test tomcat for ssl renegotiation vulnerability

  - by Jim

  How can I test if my server is vulnerable for SSL renegotiation? I tried the following (using OpenSSL 0.9.8j-fips 07 Jan 2009: openssl s_client -connect 10.2.10.54:443 I see it connects, it brings the certificate chain, it shows the server certificate, and last: SSL handshake has read 2275 bytes and written 465 bytes --- New, TLSv1/SSLv3, Cipher is DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA Server public key is 1024 bit Secure Renegotiation IS supported Compression: NONE Expansion: NONE SSL-Session: Protocol : TLSv1 Cipher : DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA Session-ID: 50B4839724D2A1E7C515EB056FF4C0E57211B1D35253412053534C4A20202020 Session-ID-ctx: Master-Key: 7BC673D771D05599272E120D66477D44A2AF4CC83490CB3FDDCF62CB3FE67ECD051D6A3E9F143AE7C1BA39D0BF3510D4 Key-Arg : None Start Time: 1354008417 Timeout : 300 (sec) Verify return code: 21 (unable to verify the first certificate) What does Secure Renegotiation IS supported mean? That SSL renegotiation is allowed? Then I did but did not get an exception or get the certificate again: verify error:num=20:unable to get local issuer certificate verify return:1 verify error:num=27:certificate not trusted verify return:1 verify error:num=21:unable to verify the first certificate verify return:1 HTTP/1.1 200 OK Server: Apache-Coyote/1.1 Content-Type: text/html;charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 174 Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 09:13:14 GMT Connection: close So is the server vulnerable to SSL renegotiation or not?

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• Recommendation for a non-standard SSL port

  - by onurs

  Hey guys, On our server I have a single IP, and need to host 2 different SSL sites. Sites have different owners so have different SSL certificates, and can't share the same certificate with SAN. So as a last resort I have modified the web application to give the ability to use a specified port for secure pages. For its simple look I used port 200. However I'm worried about some visitors may be unable to see the site because of their firewalls / proxies blocking the port for ssl connections. I heard some people were unable to see the website, a home user and someone from an enterprise company, don't know if this was the reason. So, any recommendations for a non-standard SSL port number (443 is used by the other site) which may work for visitors better than port 200 ? Like 8080 or 8443 perhaps? Thanks!

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• Nginx server_name is set to mydomain.com, so why is www.mydomain.com getting served too?

  - by Lorenz Forvang

  I have my Nginx conf set up as follows: server { listen 443 ssl; server_name mydomain.com; ... } When I load https://mydomain.com, the site loads fine. But when I load https://www.mydomain.com, the site loads as well. Why is this happening? I set up the DNS records using Amazon Route 53 as: A mydomain.com xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx (IP) CNAME www.mydomain.com mydomain.com So is a request to www.mydomain.com arriving at Nginx as a request to mydomain.com? If so, how do I differentiate requests to www.mydomain.com and mydomain.com at my server?

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• Production Instance : CLOSE_WAIT Connection Issue

  - by rajnikant

  I am using 10EC2 Instances behind 1 ELB. And ELB configured 80 to 8080 and 443 to 8080 port. And all 10EC2 instances having installed with Apache Tomcat, total request on ELB around 8000 to 10000 in 1 minute. I am facing problem for CLOSE_WAIT connection on 10 EC2 Instance, having Apache Tomcat. EC2 Instance Type : m1.xlarge When we restart the Apache Tomcat, all CLOSE_WAIT connections are lost, but its not proper way to work on Production Instances. Please help me out.

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• Server 2008 R2 Remote Desktop Gateway Role and IIS7

  - by user137466

  I am attempting to setup a RD Gateway for a client. When I first set it up I noticed that IIS did not have the 'Defualt Web Site' so I created it and assigned it an id of 1 and set the bindings to port 80 and 443. I then re installed the RD Gateway role with the idea that it would then configure IIS correctly. It did not. How would I go about making sure a re install of the Remote Desktop Gateway role configures IIS correctly? I cannot re install IIS as there is a site that is already on there that I cannot take down

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• Any problems with using a 301 redirect to force https traffic in IIS?

  - by Jess

  Is there any problem with using a 301 redirect to force all traffic to go to a secure-only site? We originally had redirect rules, but enforcing SSL-only seemed more secure. Here is how we set it up: Site 1: https://example.com/ Require SSL set Bound to 443 only Site 2: http://example.com Bound to 80 only Empty folder - no actual html or other data 301 Redirects to https://example.com This seems to work beautifully, but are there any issues with doing this? Would any browsers not recognize the 301 redirect, or could there be security warnings during the redirect?

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• CentOS - Apache and SSL?

  - by NeoNmaN

  Hei all i have problem for my SSL setup, when i put SSL Engine to on my Apache will not start up, if i remove it, its work fine. i can't finde the Apache log, so i can find out of whats happen here, can sommen maby tell me the problem or link to the defualt log-path for Apache? here is my vhost config file. <VirtualHost *:443> # SSLEngine On SSLProtocol all SSLCertificateFile "/etc/pki/tls/schemecloud.co.uk.csr" SSLCertificateKeyFile "/etc/pki/tls/schemecloud.co.uk.key" SSLCACertificateFile "/etc/pki/tls/rapidssl.crt" ErrorLog "/var/www/error_ssl_log" <Directory /var/www/html> AllowOverride All </Directory> DocumentRoot /var/www/html/ ServerName schemecloud.co.uk </VirtualHost>

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• IE8/IE7/IE6/IE5 on WinXP Use The Wrong Certificate

  - by Marco Calì

  For some reason IE8/IE7/IE6/IE5 on Windows XP, instead to use the certificate that is listed on the nginx website config, is using another certificate that is used from other websites. Checking the nging config file for the website everything is fine. A confirm of this is that all the other browsers (Chrome/Firefox/Safari/IE9) are using the correct certificate. This is the nginx configuration for the app: server { listen 80; listen 443 ssl; server_name mydomain.com; ssl_certificate /root/certs/mydomain.com/mydomain.bundle.crt; ssl_certificate_key /root/certs/mydomain.com/mydoamin.key; access_log /opt/webapps/cs_at/logs/access.log; location / { add_header P3P 'CP="CAO PSA OUR"'; proxy_pass http://127.0.0.1:20004; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-For $remote_addr; proxy_set_header X-Real-IP $remote_addr; } }

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• Chrome - Why am I automatically authenticated to a web app even after clearing browser cookies?

  - by Howiecamp

  I am accessing a web application using Chrome. If I sign out of the app and clear all Chrome history/cookies/etc (even Flash cookies which are now handled by Chrome in the same Clear History area) and then re-access the site, I am automatically logged in without being prompted for credentials. I then launched Chrome in Incognito mode and was able to reproduce the same behavior. However, the I was prompted upon the first logon while in Incognito mode. The web application behaves as expected in Internet Explorer 10. Some info about the application: It's a Sharepoint site using NTLM authentication The credentials are Active Directory-based, as the username is domain\username My connection is over the Internet and there is no AD relationship between my local Windows account, my Windows PC. In other words I (meaning my locally logged on user and my PC) are not in any way part of their AD domain. The site is running SSL on port 443 Why might Chrome be automatically authenticating me?

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• Nginx HTTPS redirects causing loop

  - by Ben Chiappetta

  I've been banging my head against the wall trying to figure this out, so if anyone can help I'd appreciate it. My Nginx conf has three different redirect loops, haven't been able to get any of the three to work right. The three problem areas are: Redirecting memcache directory to SSL Redirecting accounts directory to SSL Redirecting SSL to www if non-www nginx.conf: user nginx; worker_processes 1; error_log /var/log/nginx/error.log warn; pid /var/run/nginx.pid; events { worker_connections 1024; } http { include /etc/nginx/mime.types; default_type application/octet-stream; log_format main '$remote_addr - $remote_user [$time_local] "$request" ' '$status $body_bytes_sent "$http_referer" ' '"$http_user_agent" "$http_x_forwarded_for"'; access_log /var/log/nginx/access.log main; error_log /var/log/nginx/error.log notice; sendfile on; #tcp_nopush on; keepalive_timeout 65; proxy_set_header X-Url-Scheme $scheme; #gzip on; rewrite_log on; include /etc/nginx/conf.d/*.conf; } conf.d/default.conf: server { listen 80; server_name <redacted>.net; rewrite ^(.*) http://www.<redacted>.net$1; } server { listen 80; server_name www.<redacted>.net; set_real_ip_from 192.168.30.4; set_real_ip_from 192.168.30.5; set_real_ip_from 192.168.30.10; real_ip_header X-Forwarded-For; #charset koi8-r; access_log /var/log/nginx/host.access.log main; root /var/www/html; index index.php index.html index.htm; location =/memcache { rewrite ^/(.*)$ https://$server_name$request_uri? permanent; } location /accounts { rewrite ^/(.*)$ https://$server_name$request_uri? permanent; } #error_page 404 /404.html; # redirect server error pages to the static page /50x.html # error_page 500 502 503 504 /50x.html; location = /50x.html { } # pass the PHP scripts to FastCGI server listening on 127.0.0.1:9000 # location ~ \.php$ { fastcgi_pass 127.0.0.1:9000; fastcgi_index index.php; fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME $document_root$fastcgi_script_name; include /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params; try_files $uri = 404; } # deny access to .htaccess files, if Apache's document root # concurs with nginx's one # location ~ /\.ht { deny all; } } conf.d/ssl.conf: # HTTPS server # server { listen 443; server_name <redacted>.net; rewrite ^(.*) https://www.<redacted>.net$1; } server { listen 443 default_server ssl; server_name www.<redacted>.net; set_real_ip_from 192.168.30.4; set_real_ip_from 192.168.30.5; set_real_ip_from 192.168.30.10; real_ip_header X-Forwarded-For; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded_Proto https; proxy_set_header Host $host; proxy_redirect off; proxy_max_temp_file_size 0; proxy_set_header X-Forwarded-Ssl on; set $https_enabled on; ssl_certificate <redacted>.crt; ssl_certificate_key <redacted>.key; ssl_session_timeout 5m; ssl_protocols SSLv2 SSLv3 TLSv1; ssl_ciphers HIGH:!aNULL:!MD5; ssl_prefer_server_ciphers on; root /var/www/html; index index.php index.html index.htm; location /memcache { auth_basic "Restricted"; auth_basic_user_file $document_root/memcache/.htpasswd; } location ~ \.php$ { fastcgi_pass 127.0.0.1:9000; fastcgi_index index.php; fastcgi_param SCRIPT_FILENAME $document_root$fastcgi_script_name; fastcgi_param HTTPS on; include /etc/nginx/fastcgi_params; try_files $uri = 404; } }

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• embedded tomcat 7 behind iis 7.5 proxy ssl problems

  - by user1058410

  I'm using embedded tomcat 7 behind a iis 7.5 proxy server, with requests being forwarded to tomcat with arr. Everything works fine unless iis is set to require ssl. Then things like links that are generated dynamically in .jsp files on tomcat don't work right. For example if a link is supposed to point to _https://somewhere.com:443 it will be wrote as _http://somewhere.com:8080 (8080 is the port tomcat is running on). The problem seems to come from when tomcat looks at itself to build out the url it sees correctly that it is running on _http://somewhere.com:8080, but i need it to think otherwise. Does anybody know how to accomplish this without using ssl between iis and tomcat? Sorry for the underscores in front of the imaginary urls.

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• Adding multiple websites with different SSL certificates in IIS 7

  - by Timka

  I'm having troubles using SSL for 2 different websites on my IIS 7 server. Please see my setup below: website1: my.corporate.portal.com SSL certificate for website1: *.corporate.portal.com https/443 binded to my.corporate.portal.com website2: client.portal.com SSL certificate issued for: client.portal.com When I try to bind https in IIS7 with the client's certificate, I don't have an option to put host name(grayed out) and as soon as I select 'client.portal.com' cert, I'm getting the following error in IIS: At least one other site is using the same HTTPS binding and the binding is configured with a different certificate. Are you sure that you want to reuse this HTTPS binding and reassign the other site or sites to use the new certificate? If I click 'yes' my.corporate.portal.com website stops using the proper SSL cert. Could you suggest something?

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• HAProxy and Intermediate SSL Certificate Issue

  - by Sam K

  We are currently experiencing an issue with verifying a Comodo SSL certificate on an Ubuntu AWS cluster. Browsers are displaying the site/content fine and showing all the relevant certificate information (at least, all the ones we've checked), but certain network proxies and the online SSL checkers are showing we have an incomplete chain. We have tried the following to try to resolve this: Upgraded haproxy to the latest 1.5.3 Created a concatenated ".pem" file containing all the certificate (site, intermediate, w/ and w/out root) Added an explicit "ca-file" attribute to the "bind" line in our haproxy.cfg file. The ".pem" file verifies OK using openssl. The various intermediate and root certificates are installed and showing in /etc/ssl/certs. But the checks still come back with an incomplete chain. Can anyone advise about anything else we can check or any other changes we can make to try to fix this? Many thanks in advance... UPDATE: The only relevant line from the haproxy.cfg (I believe), is this one: bind *:443 ssl crt /etc/ssl/domainaname.com.pem

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• Multiple SSL on same IP [closed]

  - by kadourah

  Possible Duplicate: Multiple SSL domains on the same IP address and same port? I have the following situation: first domain: test.domain.com IP: 1.2.3.4 Port: 443 SSL: Purchased from godaddy and specific to that domain Works fine no issues. I would like to add another site: test2.domain.com IP: the same Port: can be different SSL: different since I can't use the SSL above because it's specific to the site above. Now, when I add the HTTPS binding to the second site with IP:Port combination it appears to always load the first SSL ignoring the second certificate. How can I add second SSL binding to the same IP using a "different" certificate? Can this be done?

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• Can't ping static IP from internal network, only from outside

  - by Mike

  I'm running ubuntu and I have apache running, however, I can't ping internally to my static IP nor browse http://207.40.XXX.XX the web server using my static IP. I can only ping/browse localhost, 127.0.0.1, and 192.168.0.120 OR 207.40.XXX.XX only from the outside world. # cat /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.1.1 my-server.myhost.com my-server # hostname my-server # netstat -tapn tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:631 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:29754 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:443 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN Any ideas why this is not working?

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• Why does Pages.app connect to a server through https and keep the connection open?

  - by ggustafsson

  Every time i start up the program Pages (iWork) it connects to a server through https. What is going on? Why would Apple do this? I use no features under Pages that could warrant this behaviour. It connects to IP address 2.22.240.224 on port 443 and keeps the connection open until i close the application. All the info i can get from Wireshark is a bunch of Apple-related domain names. Edit: The same thing happens with Numbers. I have disabled "Documents & Data" on iCloud so that shouldn't be the reason why. Edit 2: The programs in the iWork suite stopped doing this after recent updates so it's not an issue anymore.

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• Allowing outbound traffic with APF/iptables for OpenVZ container

  - by David

  I have apf installed on a OpenVZ container (proxmox 2.1). The config is pretty much vanilla and things are working. My external services like ssh and http are working. My problem is that all outbound traffic on http/https is blocked. How do I allow all outbound traffic for http/https. If I change EGF to 1 like this, all inbound and outbound traffic gets blocked EGF="1" EG_TCP_CPORTS="21,25,80,443,43,53" EG_UDP_CPORTS="20,21,53" EG_ICMP_TYPES="all" I opened a single outbound rule with the following # /usr/local/sbin/apf -a downloads.wordpress.org How do I allow all outbound traffic on http/https without blocking all traffic? Why would I allow all inbound ssh/http traffic and block all outbound traffic?

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• How to force or redirect to SSL in nginx?

  - by Callmeed

  I have a signup page on a subdomain like: https://signup.mysite.com It should only be accessible via HTTPS but I'm worried people might somehow stumble upon it via HTTP and get a 404. My html/server block in nginx looks like this: html { server { listen 443; server_name signup.mysite.com; ssl on; ssl_certificate /path/to/my/cert; ssl_certificate_key /path/to/my/key; ssl_session_timeout 30m; location / { root /path/to/my/rails/app/public; index index.html; passenger_enabled on; } } } What can I add so that people who go to http://signup.mysite.com get redirected to https://signup.mysite.com ? (FYI I know there are Rails plugins that can force SSL but was hoping to avoid that)

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• How do I make subsonic (media server) work with SSL?

  - by John Baber

  The roughly out-of-the-box setup as a regular user works fine (meaning the site appears at http://myserver.com:4040). From ps aux java -Xmx100m -Dsubsonic.home=/var/subsonic -Dsubsonic.host=0.0.0.0 -Dsubsonic.port=4040 -Dsubsonic.httpsPort=0 -Dsubsonic.contextPath=/ -Dsubsonic.defaultMusicFolder=/var/music -Dsubsonic.defaultPodcastFolder=/var/music/Podcast -Dsubsonic.defaultPlaylistFolder=/var/playlists -Djava.awt.headless=true -verbose:gc -jar subsonic-booter-jar-with-dependencies.jar but just giving an https port java -Xmx100m -Dsubsonic.home=/var/subsonic -Dsubsonic.host=0.0.0.0 -Dsubsonic.port=4040 -Dsubsonic.httpsPort=6060 -Dsubsonic.contextPath=/ -Dsubsonic.defaultMusicFolder=/var/music -Dsubsonic.defaultPodcastFolder=/var/music/Podcast -Dsubsonic.defaultPlaylistFolder=/var/playlists -Djava.awt.headless=true -verbose:gc -jar subsonic-booter-jar-with-dependencies.jar makes http://myserver.com:4040 say HTTP ERROR: 404 NOT_FOUND RequestURI=/index.view Powered by jetty:// and https://myserver.com:6060 say Unable to connect I'm only making the change by doing # SUBSONIC_ARGS="--port=80 --https-port=443 --max-memory=120" SUBSONIC_ARGS="--max-memory=100 --https-port=6060" in /etc/default/subsonic and issuing a sudo service subsonic restart (this is Ubuntu Oneiric)

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• Difference between SSLCertificateFile and SSLCertificateChainFile?

  - by chrisjlee

  Normally with a virtual host an ssl is setup with the following directives: Listen 443 SSLCertificateFile /home/web/certs/domain1.public.crt SSLCertificateKeyFile /home/web/certs/domain1.private.key SSLCertificateChainFile /home/web/certs/domain1.intermediate.crt From: For enabling SSL for a single domain on a server with muliple vhosts, will this configuration work? What is the difference between SSLCertificateFile and SSLCertificateChainFile ? The client has purchased a CA key from GoDaddy. It looks like GoDaddy only provides a SSLCertificateFile (.crt file), and a SSLCertificateKeyFile (.key file) and not at SSLCertificateChainFile. Will my ssl still work without a SSLCertificateChainFile path specified ? Also, is there a canonical path where these files should be placed?

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• DSA private key format

  - by ansur

  So I used puttygen to generate a DSA private key and then exported that to the OpenSSH format and here's what I got when I ran OpenSSL's asn1parse on it: 0:d=0 hl=4 l= 443 cons: SEQUENCE 4:d=1 hl=2 l= 1 prim: INTEGER :00 7:d=1 hl=3 l= 129 prim: INTEGER :B9916796B7A3EFFD5CA36368186D0ED 193BE7FDD61CC6851174F3E9781A0C0CEA7473E528372F559A1DB2A7E049A9BEFAE2CAAC55527049 2A0CD55B59A48A53BCADD32181F519EA9E6A98EF8EF59DE314A2E69606C728F2F8DEE722B4C67BA6 8EB8A619B6006804F83740F9C74C38136522E7E83F22920AA39822FBDA0DF4D0B 139:d=1 hl=2 l= 21 prim: INTEGER :D832F5B01F075FEC0F162B91982F34D B26A0CC29 162:d=1 hl=3 l= 129 prim: INTEGER :9B73F47AEFF8E39584FD10ACF81CCD5 75C96FC5558A5C94B941EF76318D132007ACAE1EA22E95CE0B13FC7875CE4D4ED33BA639CD8C2AC9 C0A0530FB7786F584A62EBAE5985E1C26ED0D0B9FDD5E8DB0142BE182A4E5359307007060C327FEE C2F8D04EABB37D7B74076EB9BDB4885F627DE85708D5BDBF5177A05721E09A367 294:d=1 hl=3 l= 128 prim: INTEGER :6BD9267D2D1E4546EE05F6CD087F311 93C0EEB13B1E139F5072E900AB2EEF68EEC28BF4D7D6CAE4DEE59005F00BAE07343EE520C217FF6E 7880DC788E4555F78CCB5E89A10CDC71A663DA696C5BC34E296CEB3518D65A79BF00B6D592B1399A 9F0D79AE3F3FB445EE1F2B4B72515F036C8E1D5C7FAD336FD3503874645C5C264 425:d=1 hl=2 l= 20 prim: INTEGER :15295A12325E5F1A6F7243B7BB3BE74 6FE7B76E9 My question is... where is this format described? What does the first 0 integer value mean for example? I guess I could look in the puttygen source code but is there an RFC describing this format or something?

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• Need advise on linking apache and tomcat

  - by hsnm

  I have been searching this for hours with no luck. I have a web server that uses https on Apache2. I also have installed tomcat7 on the same server to run some Java webapp on it. I need to keep my https port 443 on Apache but forward the requests to the Java webapp to tomcat. I tried to use mod_jk to redirect the requests to tomcat but I failed. Most tutorials talk about redirecting plain http requests not https. I also could not let tomcat use https on 8443. I'm following the steps here but facing errors. The question: Can I redirect https traffic to tomcat without installing https on tomcat? Is there a good tutorial you can recommend to me?

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