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  • Windows Azure SDK 1.2 Available - .NET 4.0 Support

    - by Shaun
    The Windows Azure team had just announced the release of the latest version of its tools and SDK (v1.2) at the TechED 2010 New Orleans. You can download it here. The biggest new feature/improvement of this version of the SDK would be Visual Studio 2010 RTM and .NET 4.0 support. It gives us the facilities to build our azure-based applications on top of .NET 3.5 and 4.0 as well. So the guys who is working on, like me, or is going to be working on .NET 4 would better to have this SDK installed I think. Also there are some other information about the envolution of the Windows Azure at this TechED session you can find here.   Hope this helps, Shaun All documents and related graphics, codes are provided "AS IS" without warranty of any kind. Copyright © Shaun Ziyan Xu. This work is licensed under the Creative Commons License.

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  • Azure Mobile Services: available modules

    - by svdoever
    Azure Mobile Services has documented a set of objects available in your Azure Mobile Services server side scripts at their documentation page Mobile Services server script reference. Although the documented list is a nice list of objects for the common things you want to do, it will be sooner than later that you will look for more functionality to be included in your script, especially with the new provided feature that you can now create your custom API’s. If you use GIT it is now possible to add any NPM module (node package manager module, say the NuGet of the node world), but why include a module if it is already available out of the box. And you can only use GIT with Azure Mobile Services if you are an administrator on your Azure Mobile Service, not if you are a co-administrator (will be solved in the future). Until now I did some trial and error experimentation to test if a certain module was available. This is easiest to do as follows:   Create a custom API, for example named experiment. In this API use the following code: exports.get = function (request, response) { var module = "nonexistingmodule"; var m = require(module); response.send(200, "Module '%s' found.", module); }; You can now test your service with the following request in your browser: https://yourservice.azure-mobile.net/api/experiment If you get the result: {"code":500,"error":"Error: Internal Server Error"} you know that the module does not exist. In your logs you will find the following error: Error in script '/api/experiment.json'. Error: Cannot find module 'nonexistingmodule' [external code] atC:\DWASFiles\Sites\yourservice\VirtualDirectory0\site\wwwroot\App_Data\config\scripts\api\experiment.js:3:13[external code] If you require an existing (undocumented) module like the OAuth module in the following code, you will get success as a result: exports.get = function (request, response) { var module = "oauth"; var m = require(module); response.send(200, "Module '" + module + "' found."); }; If we look at the standard node.js documentation we see an extensive list of modules that can be used from your code. If we look at the list of files available in the Azure Mobile Services platform as documented in the blog post Azure Mobile Services: what files does it consist of? we see a folder node_modules with many more modules are used to build the Azure Mobile Services functionality on, but that can also be utilized from your server side node script code: apn - An interface to the Apple Push Notification service for Node.js. dpush - Send push notifications to Android devices using GCM. mpns - A Node.js interface to the Microsoft Push Notification Service (MPNS) for Windows Phone. wns - Send push notifications to Windows 8 devices using WNS. pusher - Node library for the Pusher server API (see also: http://pusher.com/) azure - Windows Azure Client Library for node. express - Sinatra inspired web development framework. oauth - Library for interacting with OAuth 1.0, 1.0A, 2 and Echo. Provides simplified client access and allows for construction of more complex apis and OAuth providers. request - Simplified HTTP request client. sax - An evented streaming XML parser in JavaScript sendgrid - A NodeJS implementation of the SendGrid Api. sqlserver – In node repository known as msnodesql - Microsoft Driver for Node.js for SQL Server. tripwire - Break out from scripts blocking node.js event loop. underscore - JavaScript's functional programming helper library. underscore.string - String manipulation extensions for Underscore.js javascript library. xml2js - Simple XML to JavaScript object converter. xmlbuilder - An XML builder for node.js. As stated before, many of these modules are used to provide the functionality of Azure Mobile Services platform, and in general should not be used directly. On the other hand, I needed OAuth badly to authenticate to the new v1.1 services of Twitter, and was very happy that a require('oauth') and a few lines of code did the job. Based on the above modules and a lot of code in the other javascript files in the Azure Mobile Services platform a set of global objects is provided that can be used from your server side node.js script code. In future blog posts I will go into more details with respect to how this code is built-up, all starting at the node.js express entry point app.js.

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  • [News] Excursion dans le monde Java d'un (bon) d?veloppeur .NET

    Ayende, l'architecte principal de l'outil NHibernate a d?cid? il y a quelques temps de se former ? JEE pour parfaire ses connaissances. Dans ce billet, qui date de quelques jours, mais qui n'a pas ?t? ?norm?ment relay?, il d?crit son exp?rience. Le constat est assez cinglant et forc?ment emprunt d'une certaine partialit?, mais toujours tr?s int?ressant ? lire : (...) "All in all, I find myself unimpressed by the amount of work that was shuffled to the tools, it doesn?t seem right. And it seems like a justification of a bad practice. When I consider my own design principles (Zero Friction!) in light of this, I am much happier that I am mainly working in the .NET world. But I think that having this understanding is going to be very helpful moving forward"

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  • Claims-based Identity in .NET 4.5 and Windows 8

    - by Your DisplayName here!
    There was not a ton of new information about WIF and related technologies at Build, but Samuel Devasahayam did a great talk about claims-based access control that contained some very interesting bits of information with regards to future directions. From his slides: Windows 8 Bring existing identity claims model into the Windows platform Domain controller issues groups & claims Claims (user and device) sourced from identity attributes in AD Claims delivered in Kerberos PAC NT Token has a new claims section Enhanced SDDL API’s to work with claims Enhanced user mode CheckAccess API’s to work with claims New ACL-UX Target audits with claims-based expressions WIF & .NET 4.5 WIF is in the box with .NET Framework 4.5 Every principal in .NET 4.5 is a ClaimsPrincipal ADFS 2.1 ADFS 2.1 is available now as a in-box server role in Windows 8 Adds support for issuing device claims from Kerberos ticket

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  • How to create an Access database by using ADOX and Visual C# .NET

    - by SAMIR BHOGAYTA
    Build an Access Database 1. Open a new Visual C# .NET console application. 2. In Solution Explorer, right-click the References node and select Add Reference. 3. On the COM tab, select Microsoft ADO Ext. 2.7 for DDL and Security, click Select to add it to the Selected Components, and then click OK. 4. Delete all of the code from the code window for Class1.cs. 5. Paste the following code into the code window: using System; using ADOX; private void btnCreate_Click(object sender, EventArgs e) { ADOX.CatalogClass cat = new ADOX.CatalogClass(); cat.Create("Provider=Microsoft.Jet.OLEDB.4.0;" +"Data Source=D:\\NewMDB.mdb;" +"Jet OLEDB:Engine Type=5"); MessageBox.Show("Database Created Successfully"); cat = null; }

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  • IIS6: How to troubleshoot a 404 error in an ASP.NET application?

    - by Tomalak
    I have an ASP.NET application on a Windows Server 2003/IIS6 that refuses to run for some reason (it's the Xerox Centre, if that info helps). It has been working flawlessly before though on this server. Now, all I get if I try to open the app homepage (http://some.intranet.server/XeroxCentreWareWeb/) is a "404 - File or directory not found" error. The app is configured to run in it's own app pool, which runs as Network Service. The Network Service account has read access to the configured directory. If I stop the app pool, I get the expected "Service Unavailable" message, meaning the app and its pool are wired correctly I tried to track down any file permission issues with procmon - nothing to be seen. There isn't even an access to the web app directory happening when the page loads. Interestingly, according to procmon, the web server accesses the 401-2 custom error file (Logon failed due to server configuration) first, but then decides to send the 404 down to the client. EDIT: The app runs with Windows-integrated authentication. Regular users have access to the app directory as well (I would have noticed file system "ACCESS DENIED" messages in procmon, if there had been any.) This makes me think that there is some kind of weird permission problem that occurs even before the application files are being accessed. I just have no idea where to look. I've tried to run the app pool as Local System for a test, but to no avail. What else could I check in this case?

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  • Should I use both WCF and ASP.NET Web API

    - by Mithir
    We already have a WCF API with basichttpbinding. Some of the calls have complex objects in both the response and request. We need to add RESTful abilities to the API. at first I tried adding a webHttp endpoint, but I got At most one body parameter can be serialized without wrapper elements If I made it Wrapped it wasn't pure as I need it to be. I got to read this, and this (which states "ASP.NET Web API is the new way to build RESTful service on .NET"). So my question is, should I make 2 APIs(2 different projects)? one for SOAP with WCF and one RESTful with ASP.NET Web API? is there anything wrong architecturally speaking with this approach?

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  • Vancouver .NET User Group

    - by pluginbaby
    While in Vancouver for my Silverlight training in early May, I will give a free Silverlight presentation at the local .NET User Group, .netBC. When: May 5, 2010, 6:30 PM Where: Building SW3 room 1750, BCIT Burnaby Campus, 3700 Willingdon Ave, Burnaby, BC, V5G 3H2 What: Silverlight 4 Business Applications “In this session a live demo will be built to show the new features of Silverlight 4 that helps you create business-oriented applications easier than ever. Importing/exporting data, printing, drag drop target, data visualization, context menu, WCF RIA Services and design-time enhancements in Visual Studio 2010.” Read all the details here: http://www.netbc.ca/DNCal/EventDetail.aspx?date=2010/05/05 See you there!   Thanks Telerik for helping this event to happen!   Technorati Tags: Silverlight,Silverlight Training

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  • ASP.NET 3.5 Functions and Subroutines

    The most basic of all ASP.NET 3.5 server side scripts that I ve covered using the Visual Basic programming language is not modular in nature. This means that an ASP.NET 3.5 server will interpret the scripts in the Visual Basic file e.g Default.aspx.vb from top to bottom. In most real-world applications that use Visual Basic in ASP.NET websites however most web developers structure their programs in modules. This article will give you information about subroutines and functions along with practical examples and their advantages.... Cloud Servers in Demand - GoGrid Start Small and Grow with Your Business. $0.10/hour

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  • Generically correcting data before save with Entity Framework

    - by koevoeter
    Been working with Entity Framework (.NET 4.0) for a week now for a data migration job and needed some code that generically corrects string values in the database. You probably also have seen things like empty strings instead of NULL or non-trimmed texts ("United States       ") in "old" databases, and you don't want to apply a correcting function on every column you migrate. Here's how I've done this (extending the partial class of my ObjectContext):public partial class MyDatacontext{    partial void OnContextCreated()    {        SavingChanges += OnSavingChanges;    }     private void OnSavingChanges(object sender, EventArgs e)    {        foreach (var entity in GetPersistingEntities(sender))        {            foreach (var propertyInfo in GetStringProperties(entity))            {                var value = (string)propertyInfo.GetValue(entity, null);                 if (value == null)                {                    continue;                }                 if (value.Trim().Length == 0 && IsNullable(propertyInfo))                {                    propertyInfo.SetValue(entity, null, null);                }                else if (value != value.Trim())                {                    propertyInfo.SetValue(entity, value.Trim(), null);                }            }        }    }     private IEnumerable<object> GetPersistingEntities(object sender)    {        return ((ObjectContext)sender).ObjectStateManager            .GetObjectStateEntries(EntityState.Added | EntityState.Modified)             .Select(e => e.Entity);    }    private IEnumerable<PropertyInfo> GetStringProperties(object entity)    {        return entity.GetType().GetProperties()            .Where(pi => pi.PropertyType == typeof(string));    }    private bool IsNullable(PropertyInfo propertyInfo)    {        return ((EdmScalarPropertyAttribute)propertyInfo             .GetCustomAttributes(typeof(EdmScalarPropertyAttribute), false)            .Single()).IsNullable;    }}   Obviously you can use similar code for other generic corrections.

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  • Cannot add DataTables.net javascript into Joomla 1.5

    - by mfmz
    I've been having this problem where i couldn't add Datatables.net javascript into my Joomla article. I have been trying to include it through Jumi. To say that my editor strips of the tag is somewhat not right as I have been able to execute Google Chart API in Joomla which also uses javascript. Any clue why? The code is as below : <link href="//datatables.net/download/build/nightly/jquery.dataTables.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" /> <script src="http://code.jquery.com/jquery-1.9.1.min.js"></script> <script src="//datatables.net/download/build/nightly/jquery.dataTables.js"></script> <script type="text/javascript"> $(document).ready( function () { var table = $('#example').DataTable(); } ); </script>

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  • Self Welcoming Post on geekswithblogs.net

    - by OscarRibbeck
    Hello!.As you may notice :), this is my first post on geekswithblogs.com . I  have been using the .Net Framework mainly to develop ASP.NET WebApps for some years now and I am moving from using the .Net Framework 2.0 to using the latest features on the 4.x Frameworks, I am planning to document whenever is possible some of the stuff I learn using this space kindly given by the staff of the site. The feedback I get will also be very important for my progress and my plan is to learn a lot from what you guys can teach me with your comments on here.I also found myself with the necessity of putting somewhere code samples because sometimes when you post on forums the entries get locked and you can't do anything to add relevant details on them. The code will either be explained on its entirety or will be posted on a link that has an explained working sample for you guys to test and learn from.My posts will be in English, and I am an intermediate English speaker/writer so bare with me if it's not perfect sometimes, I am always learning something new though.I hope this get to be a useful resource for anyone interested. Cheers and Happy Coding for everyone!,Oscar

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  • IIS7 ASP.NET application - 2 identical apps in 2 identical app pools, 1 is responsive and 1 is not

    - by Ben
    I have an ASP.NET (v4.0) web app that is installed in a virtual directory (as an application) and is hosted in it's own app pool. This is repeated for each instance of the app (i.e. per customer). The app pools are integrated (not classic) mode and LoadUserProfile is set to true. Otherwise, default settings. Each instance currently has it's own copy of the code/config, and it's own data folder (basic file read/writes). 1 instance of this app runs well (operation used for comparison takes ~4 seconds). Every other instance runs slowly (from 10-25 seconds for the same operation). If I move the slower instance to the "fastest" app pool that instance springs to life. If I move the faster instance into the slower app pool that instance slows to a crawl. The app pools were created in the same way initially - manually. I later used the powershell copy routine to ensure an exact copy of the faster app pool and still the same behaviour. Comparing the apppool.config files shows they are identical barring the virtual directory assignments. There are no shared resources that are being blocked, so far as I can tell, and I tested that by shutting down the performant app pool and restarting... slow is still slow, and then when I restart that app pool (so it's loaded last) it's still faster...

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  • How do I prevent my ASP .NET site from continually prompting for user credentials?

    - by gilles27
    I'm trying to get an ASP .NET website up and running on IIS6. The site will run in its own application pool, and uses Windows authentication, with anonymous access turned off. When I run the app pool under NETWORK SERVICE, everything works fine. However we need the app pool to run under a different account, because this account needs some extra privileges (we are printing Word documents). This new account is a member of the local users group, and the IIS_WPG group. It has also been granted the "Log on as a service right". When I browse to the site I am prompted for credentials, not once, but several times. When the page finally loads it looks wrong because the style sheets have not been applied. My suspicion is that I am being prompted once for each file (e.g. all the images, styles and script files) the browser requests, and that for some reason the website is unable to validate those credentials in order to serve the files back. If I allow anonymous access the page loads fine - we don't want to allow it but I mention it in case it offers any further clues. My theory is that perhaps the account the app pool runs under needs permissions to validate domain credentials? If that is so, how do I enable this?

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  • SkyDrive : Microsoft publie des SDK pour le Framework .NET et Windows Phone 8

    SkyDrive : Microsoft publie des SDK pour le Framework .NET et Windows Phone 8 Microsoft vient de publier de nouveaux SDK pour SkyDrive. Les kits de développement (SDK) pour SkyDrive vont permettre aux développeurs de créer des applications riches qui consomment ou enregistrent des données sur la plateforme d'hébergement Cloud de Microsoft. [IMG]http://rdonfack.developpez.com/images/logoskydrive.png[/IMG] Les SDK pour SkyDrive sont disponibles en deux versions. Une version pour le Framework .NET et une version pour Windows Phone 8. La version pour le Framework .NET est disponible en deux déclinaisons : Serveur...

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  • Develop an ASP.NET Website using WebMatrix

    The following article explains how to install and develop a website using WebMatrix and add ASP.NET web pages to the website. One of the positive features of websites developed with WebMatrix is that the ASP.NET Helper Library and Razor Syntax can be used to provide enhanced features and dynamic content to the site. Razor Syntax is a simple and effective programming language that works well on the WebMatrix platform. As a result, a brief introduction to ASP.NET helper dynamic content and Razor Syntax is provided at the end of this article along with resources to assist in web development using Razor Syntax.

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  • Retrieve .Net Control ID in Javascript

    - by Vipin
    Originally posted on: http://geekswithblogs.net/Vipin/archive/2013/07/24/retrieve-.net-control-id-in-javascript.aspxIf you need to retrieve a client ID of an asp:net control in a javascript function, then you can use the below function - function $$(id, context) { var el = $("#" + id, context); if (el.length < 1) el = $("[id$=_" + id + "]", context); return el; }   var tempDotNetControl = 'aspTextTemporary';   var ClientSideID = $$(aspTextTemporary); Please bear in mind, this function is useful if you want to retrieve client ID of a different DotNet control based on some condition, otherwise if it’s always static then you can just use <%= aspTextTemporary.ClientID %>"

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  • Publishing Websites From VS.NET 2013 to Azure

    - by D'Arcy Lussier
    Originally posted on: http://geekswithblogs.net/dlussier/archive/2013/10/24/154459.aspxScott Gu recently announced the release of the Azure SDK 2.2. This includes a tonne of new features for accessing Azure resources from within Visual Studio 2013. You can read Scott’s blog post here. One feature is integrated Windows Azure sign in from within Visual Studio. I put a short video together showing how easy it is to publish a web application to Azure Websites. You can check it out here: http://youtu.be/eiuhJbwhZsQ (I couldn’t get it to display properly by embedding, definitely needs the wide-screen 720p view for best viewing) And yes, you can access James Chambers Karaoke Fansite live on Azure! Resources: Azure SDK 2.2 https://www.windowsazure.com/en-us/develop/net/ VS.NET 2013 Express http://www.microsoft.com/visualstudio/eng/downloads#d-2013-express

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  • 2013 Microsoft ASP.NET/IIS MVP

    - by Vincent Maverick Durano
    Originally posted on: http://geekswithblogs.net/dotNETvinz/archive/2013/07/01/2013-microsoft-asp.netiis-mvp.aspxI am very honored to have received this award again. This is my fifth year in a row now and it feels really great! ;) That past year was a really blast and had a great time with the MVP Global Summit, was able to create and published new versions of my open-source controls at Codeplex, technical forum contributions, blogging,writing articles and speaking. I’m glad and  very happy that I made it again this year despite of all the busy stuffs at work and life, I still manage to contribute to the ASP.NET community. BIG thanks to God, Microsoft, my MVP lead Lilian Quek, Clarisse Ng our SEA MVP Program Specialist, my family, my great Boss, readers and friends who have supported me. Technorati Tags: MVP,ASP.NET,Community

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  • "Unable to connect" to getdeb.net, how do I fix it?

    - by Nirmik
    i want to know what this error means and how to fix it? The following is the output on the terminal- W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/precise-getdeb/Release.gpg Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net:http: W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/precise-getdeb/apps/binary-i386/Packages Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net:http: W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/precise-getdeb/apps/i18n/Translation-en_IN Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net:http: W: Failed to fetch http://archive.getdeb.net/ubuntu/dists/precise-getdeb/apps/i18n/Translation-en Unable to connect to archive.getdeb.net:http: E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.

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  • Radio Button Web Control Basics in ASP.NET 3.5

    The use of the radio button is widespread in common and basic web applications. Web forms use the radio button to allow the user to select only one option from a list of choices. A common implementation is in surveys. This tutorial will focus on developing web forms that use radio button web controls in ASP.NET 3.5 in Visual Web Developer Express. This is a basic tutorial which should be very useful for new ASP.NET developers who need to learn how to incorporate radio buttons into their ASP.NET projects.... Cloud Servers in Demand - GoGrid Start Small and Grow with Your Business. $0.10/hour

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  • Marché navigateurs : IE et Chrome gagnent du terrain, Firefox en net recul présente son pire bilan depuis mai 2008 selon Net Applications

    Marché navigateurs : IE et Chrome gagnent du terrain, Firefox en net recul présente son pire bilan depuis mai 2008 selon Net ApplicationsUn mois après avoir publié son rapport sur le marché des navigateurs, l'entreprise analytique Net Applications partage à nouveau avec le public les différentes tendances des internautes en matière de navigateurs.Internet Explorer passe de 56,15 % d'utilisation a 56,61 % soit un gain mensuel de 0,46 point. C'est aussi son pic d'utilisation pour l'année en cours. Dans le détail, IE10 enregistre une croissance ralentie mais qui lui fait quand même gagner 1,84 point et représenter de facto 15,36 % des parts d'utilisation. A contrario, IE9 perd 2,02 points et se retrouve désor...

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  • .NET & XSLT: Unwanted namespace in resulting file after using extension objects (2 replies)

    Hello, after using extension objects in the stylesheets there's an additional namespace entry in the resulting file. How can I prevent that? See: ..NET/C#: XslCompiledTransform xslt new XslCompiledTransform(); .... XsltArgumentList xsltArgs new XsltArgumentList(); xsltArgs.AddExtensionObject(&quot;ibd:DanTe&quot;, this); .... xslt.Transform( source, xsltArgs, target ); XSLT: ?xml version &quot;1.0&quot; encoding &quot;UTF...

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  • .NET & XSLT: Unwanted namespace in resulting file after using extension objects (2 replies)

    Hello, after using extension objects in the stylesheets there's an additional namespace entry in the resulting file. How can I prevent that? See: ..NET/C#: XslCompiledTransform xslt new XslCompiledTransform(); .... XsltArgumentList xsltArgs new XsltArgumentList(); xsltArgs.AddExtensionObject(&quot;ibd:DanTe&quot;, this); .... xslt.Transform( source, xsltArgs, target ); XSLT: ?xml version &quot;1.0&quot; encoding &quot;UTF...

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  • How to send email from an EC2 instance using GoDaddy's SMTP server?

    - by Matt Greer
    SMTP is a whole new ballgame for me, but I am reading up on it. I am attempting to send email from my EC2 instance using GoDaddy's SMTP server. My domain name is registered through GoDaddy and I have 2 email accounts with them. I can successfully send the email from my dev box no problem. my web.config <system.net> <mailSettings> <smtp from="[email protected]" deliveryMethod="Network"> <network host="smtpout.secureserver.net" clientDomain="mydomain.com" port="25" userName="[email protected]" password="mypassword" defaultCredentials="false" /> </smtp> </mailSettings> </system.net> In my ASP.NET app: MailMessage mailMessage = new MailMessage("[email protected]", recipientEmail, emailSubject, body); mailMessage.IsBodyHtml = false; SmtpClient mailClient = new SmtpClient(); mailClient.Send(mailMessage); Very typical, simple use of System.Net.Mail.SmtpClient. The mail client is picking up the settings from my web.config as expected. From the EC2 instance, the same setup yields: System.Net.Mail.SmtpException: Failure sending mail. ---> System.IO.IOException: Unable to read data from the transport connection: net_io_connectionclosed. at System.Net.Mail.SmtpReplyReaderFactory.ProcessRead(Byte[] buffer, Int32 offset, Int32 read, Boolean readLine) at System.Net.Mail.SmtpReplyReaderFactory.ReadLines(SmtpReplyReader caller, Boolean oneLine) at System.Net.Mail.SmtpReplyReaderFactory.ReadLine(SmtpReplyReader caller) at System.Net.Mail.SmtpConnection.GetConnection(ServicePoint servicePoint) at System.Net.Mail.SmtpClient.Send(MailMessage message) --- End of inner exception stack trace --- I have searched high and low and not found anyone else attempting this. All GoDaddy smtp situations I have found involve people being hosted by GoDaddy using their relay server. Some more info: My EC2 instance is Windows Server 2008 with IIS 7. The app is running in .NET 4 I can successfully use Gmail's SMTP server on the EC2 instance by using their port, setting SmtpClient.EnableSsl to true, and sending the mail through a gmail account. But we want to send the email from an account on our domain. I have port 25 open on both the Windows firewall and Amazon's Security group based firewall. I have played with Wireshark and noticed my SMTP related traffic was talking to ports in the 5,000s, so out of desperation I opened them all up to no avail (then closed them back down) As far as I know my EC2 instance's IP address is not black listed by GoDaddy. I have a feeling I'm just missing something fundamental. I also have a feeling someone is going to recommend I use AuthSmtp or something similar, I'll agree, and have had wasted the past 6 hours :)

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