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  • Linux Kernel IRQ Routing with irqbalance / kernel options

    - by tim
    I'm trying to get my Xen Dom0 distributing the irqs in an smp enviroment. As far as I know there are 2 Options: Use irqbalance Configure the kernel without cpu hotplug support My System is Debian Squeeze, Xen 4.0.4, Kernel 3.2.31. My Problem is: irqbalance segfaults due to a changed /proc/irq* layout or irq0 missing (this seems to be a very old bug existing since Lenny) To configure a kernel without cpu hotplug support you must disable cpu powermanagement which seems to be impossible through the standard wys (make config / make menuconfig) - the option CONFIG_PM simply defaults to "Y". Any idea anyone on how to get a debian dom0 kernel with a proper irq distribution?

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  • Rsyslog mail module not working

    - by Henry-Nicolas Tourneur
    I would like to email snort alerts from my Debian Lenny fw. Syslog is sending log messages from the firewalls to a central rsyslog. On my central rsyslog, I got something like : $ModLoad ommail $ActionMailSMTPServer server.company.local $ActionMailFrom [email protected] $ActionMailTo [email protected] $ActionExecOnlyOnceEveryInterval 1 $template mailSubject,"[SNORT] Alert from %hostname%" $template mailBody,"Snort message\r\nmsg='%msg%'" $ActionMailSubject mailSubject if $msg regexp 'snort[[0-9]]: [[0-9]:[0-9]:[0-9]].*' then ommail:;mailBody But I doesn't get any mails, I even can trigger snort with something like ping -s 1400, it logs things like following but still no mail ! 2010-01-08T09:25:58+00:00 Hostname snort[4429]: [1:499:4] ICMP Large ICMP Packet [Classification: Potentially Bad Traffic] [Priority: 2]: {ICMP} ip_dest - ip_src Any idea ?

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  • Copy Network Volume configuration among Linux systems

    - by David Yu
    I have several standalone Debian Linux (Lenny) systems. As it stands now, all of the systems are configured with a generic login account. This login account has a network volume that connects to a Windows share on a Windows server. I need to create a batch of user accounts on all of the systems (this part I figured out). After I create all of the user accounts, I need all of them to have the same network volume mapping as the current generic account. Is the network volume configuration saved somewhere, where I could copy that configuration across all of the user accounts?

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  • unknown module in my server to get PHP errors in HTML tables

    - by Javier Novoa C.
    Sorry to ask this... I manage Apache and PHP in my computer. But having installed a lot of things, I've lost track of some of them. (Things I find really useful to have at my job, or to restore in case of emergency). The problem is that I have installed this thing which displays PHP errors in a nice and colored html table, but can't remember what I have installed or configured to get it work like it. Can you give me a hint about it? I'm using Debian Lenny, Apache 2.2 and PHP 5.2 Here's a screenshot: Thank you very much for reading. Javier

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  • Running phpmyadmin and suphp

    - by thor
    I have a Debian Lenny web server. It is running apache2 with libapache2-mod-suphp. Unfortunately, suphp makes impossible to use phpmyadmin, as phpmyadmin is installed in /usr/share/phpmyadmin and owned by root, and suphp disables it's enging in this direcory: $ cat /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/suphp.conf <IfModule mod_suphp.c> AddType application/x-httpd-php .php .php3 .php4 .php5 .phtml suPHP_AddHandler application/x-httpd-php <Directory /> suPHP_Engine on </Directory> # By default, disable suPHP for debian packaged web applications as files # are owned by root and cannot be executed by suPHP because of min_uid. <Directory /usr/share> suPHP_Engine off </Directory> </IfModule> Is there a possibility to enable system phpmyadmin (may be through standard libapache2-mod-php5) while using suphp? How?

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  • RAID Read/Write Speed Gradually Slows

    - by Nalandial
    This is actually a server at home, but I felt it was sufficiently complicated as to not have it on SuperUser and could easily apply to a professional situation. I have a file server running Debian (Lenny 5.0.4), and it has an XFS LVM on top of a RAID 5 with the OS drive separate from the RAID. It's also running apache, samba, and postgresql. Side note: before anyone asks, I'm using RAID5 because I get more bang for the buck on raw drive space, and still have some fault tolerance. When the box is started (via shutdown or reboot) reading/writing to it's samba share maxes out the gigabit network connection. Over time, this slowly degrades eventually becoming < 10MB/s; however, when rebooted the speed returns to maxing out the connection. Why is this happening, and is there a way to 'clear' out whatever's causing it without taking the server down? Thanks in advance!

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  • Problem with gmailfs

    - by user35529
    Hello(????????????) I've got a little with gmailfs. I'm trying to mount gmail accout as a local file system on my Debian Lenny using the following command. mount -t gmailfs none /mnt/gmail -o [email protected],password=mypassword,fsname=SixSixSix But it gives my garbage like this Ignored option :rw Traceback (most recent call last): File "/sbin/mount.gmailfs", line 166, in <module> main(mountpoint, namedOptions, useEncfs) File "/sbin/mount.gmailfs", line 92, in main gmailfs.main(mountpoint, namedOptions) File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gmailfs.py", line 1175, in main server = Gmailfs(namedOptions,mountpoint,version="gmailfs 0.8.0",usage='',dash_s_do='setsingle') File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/gmailfs.py", line 611, in __init__ self.ga.login() File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/libgmail.py", line 316, in login raise GmailLoginFailure("Login failed. (Wrong username/password?)") libgmail.GmailLoginFailure: 'Login failed. (Wrong username/password?)' Username and Password are totally correct.

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  • How to install apt-get on a busybox embedded system?

    - by Daniel YC Lin
    My embedded system is for sh4 CPU. The debian distribution may get on http://www.si-linux.co.jp/pub/debian-sh/lenny-sh4/ I get the apt*.deb and extract the data.tar.gz. After setup the /etc/apt/sources.list, I could do 'apt-get update'. But it missing dependency when I try to run 'apt-get install ntpdate'. Is there any method to let apt-get ignore some base packages? Because those package is build by my original embedded system.(eg. busybox).

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  • How to use mencoder to speed up video ?

    - by timday
    There's a webcam streaming WMV video that I can play/record with mplayer/mencoder (Debian Lenny including Debian-multimedia) just fine. I'd like to capture the video such that, when played back, it's faster (so say 100s of real time zooms past in every 1s of video). The "frameskip" filter seems like it ought to do this, but when I try e.g mencoder -o output.avi -ofps 25 -vf framestep=100 -ovc lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:... <mms source URL> what I actually get is something which plays for the same length of time as it's allowed to capture for, but which only updates the displayed image every 4 seconds. Is there any way mencoder can be persuaded to do what I want ? (By the way, ideally I'd like to average the frames together to obtain motion-blur instead of just dropping/discarding most of them.).

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  • Linux Kernel crash mutex_lock_slowpath "blocked for more than 120 seconds". What to do?

    - by Roddick
    I have out-of-the box Debian Lenny with non-custom kernel 2.6.26-2-amd64. Brand new server that is used to 5% of it's potential, CPU and Disk-wise. Meaning it probably not crashing because of overload. every few days it freezes with hundreds of these messages in console log: : [284847.828428] INFO: task apache2:12473 blocked for more than 120 seconds. : [284847.868468] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. : [284847.912759] apache2 D ffff8101bc6b7ab0 0 12473 14358 : [284847.912763] ffff810160d5bc50 0000000000000082 ffff8101c0002e40 0000000000000000 : [284847.912766] ffff8101a7c42950 ffff810327d92810 ffff8101a7c42bd8 0000000400000044 : [284847.912770] ffff8101c0002e40 00000000000612d0 0000000000000000 00000040000612d0 : [284847.912773] Call Trace: : [284847.912786] [<ffffffff80429b0d>] __mutex_lock_slowpath+0x64/0x9b : [284847.912790] [<ffffffff80429972>] mutex_lock+0xa/0xb : [284847.912794] [<ffffffff802a20b9>] do_lookup+0x82/0x1c1 : [284847.912800] [<ffffffff802a4271>] __link_path_walk+0x87a/0xd19 : [284847.912805] [<ffffffff80295844>] kmem_getpages+0x96/0x15f : [284847.912808] [<ffffffff80295fb7>] ____cache_alloc_node+0x6d/0x106 : [284847.912814] [<ffffffff802a4756>] path_walk+0x46/0x8b : [284847.912819] [<ffffffff802a4a82>] do_path_lookup+0x158/0x1cf : [284847.912822] [<ffffffff802a3879>] getname+0x140/0x1a7 : [284847.912827] [<ffffffff802a53f1>] __user_walk_fd+0x37/0x4c : [284847.912831] [<ffffffff8029e381>] vfs_lstat_fd+0x18/0x47 : [284847.912840] [<ffffffff8029e3c9>] sys_newlstat+0x19/0x31 : [284847.912848] [<ffffffff8020beda>] system_call_after_swapgs+0x8a/0x8f Almost all traces has __mutex_lock_slowpath as top-level. Only some has different trace: : [284847.737386] INFO: task apache2:12472 blocked for more than 120 seconds. : [284847.777551] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. : [284847.824881] apache2 D ffff8101bc6b7ab0 0 12472 14358 : [284847.824886] ffff8101b9cc1c50 0000000000000086 ffffffffa0131e0a 0000000000000002 : [284847.824889] ffff8102e7454300 ffff810324c6cad0 ffff8102e7454588 0000000000000000 : [284847.824893] 0000000000000001 0000000000000296 0000000000000003 ffff8101b9cc1c58 : [284847.824896] Call Trace: : [284847.828403] [<ffffffffa0131e0a>] :ext3:__ext3_journal_dirty_metadata+0x1e/0x46 : [284847.828412] [<ffffffff80429b0d>] __mutex_lock_slowpath+0x64/0x9b : [284847.828418] [<ffffffff80429972>] mutex_lock+0xa/0xb : [284847.828421] [<ffffffff802a20b9>] do_lookup+0x82/0x1c1 : [284847.828427] [<ffffffff802a4271>] __link_path_walk+0x87a/0xd19 : [284847.828428] [<ffffffff80271296>] find_lock_page+0x1f/0x8a : [284847.828428] [<ffffffff80273182>] filemap_fault+0x1c2/0x33c : [284847.828428] [<ffffffff802a4756>] path_walk+0x46/0x8b : [284847.828428] [<ffffffff802a4a82>] do_path_lookup+0x158/0x1cf : [284847.828428] [<ffffffff802a3879>] getname+0x140/0x1a7 : [284847.828428] [<ffffffff802a53f1>] __user_walk_fd+0x37/0x4c : [284847.828428] [<ffffffff8029e381>] vfs_lstat_fd+0x18/0x47 : [284847.828428] [<ffffffff8029e3c9>] sys_newlstat+0x19/0x31 : [284847.828428] [<ffffffff8020beda>] system_call_after_swapgs+0x8a/0x8f kernel: [1912668.466347] INFO: task apache2:17984 blocked for more than 120 seconds. [1912668.507035] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. : [1912668.555165] apache2 D ffff8101c5637ba0 0 17984 17282 : [1912668.596752] ffff810166a7dd30 0000000000000086 0000000000000000 ffff810166a7dcd8 : [1912668.643341] ffff8101c563c880 ffff81024505f000 0000000000000002 ffff810166a7dd68 : [1912668.699566] 0000000000000086 00000000000cb1a0 0000000000000000 ffff81017f344d60 : [1912668.744773] Call Trace: : [1912668.761754] [<ffffffff8022a3ed>] pick_next_task_fair+0x6e/0x7a : [1912668.829311] [<ffffffff802be0e2>] bio_alloc_bioset+0x89/0xd9 : [1912668.861930] [<ffffffff8024ac3a>] getnstimeofday+0x39/0x98 : [1912668.897005] [<ffffffff802710f6>] sync_page+0x0/0x41 : [1912668.927868] [<ffffffff80429487>] io_schedule+0x5c/0x9e : [1912668.960286] [<ffffffff80271132>] sync_page+0x3c/0x41 : [1912668.991756] [<ffffffff804295fa>] __wait_on_bit_lock+0x36/0x66 : [1912669.031757] [<ffffffff802710e3>] __lock_page+0x5e/0x64 : [1912669.064191] [<ffffffff802461d3>] wake_bit_function+0x0/0x23 : [1912669.100100] [<ffffffff80281bc5>] handle_mm_fault+0x5e4/0x8de : [1912669.134531] [<ffffffff802461a5>] autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x2e : [1912669.174623] [<ffffffff802aa108>] fcntl_setlk+0x1cf/0x291 : [1912669.210623] [<ffffffff802461a5>] autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x2e : [1912669.246923] [<ffffffff802a677f>] sys_fcntl+0x280/0x2f7 After googling for "mutex_lock_slowpath" I can only find the Kernel mailing list discussions that this issue was introduced in some commit. Wthout reference to verison. Discussions as recent as Jan 25, 2011. The Kernel I am using is form Debian Lenny, year ago. What should I do? Is this bug even fixed in kernel? if it's such obvious bug why it happens so rarely? Should I download latest kernel from kernel.org and upgrade? Should I use Debian backports to install new "Approved" kernel? Am I missing something? What to do?

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  • Sftp via shell - how it is possible

    - by Tomasz Zielinski
    (Moved from StackOverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4589725/sftp-via-shell-how-it-is-possible) How is it possible for tools like http://mysecureshell.sourceforge.net/ to provide SFTP access by merely specifying them as shell by typing: usermod -s /bin/MySecureShell myuser ? I'm on Debian Lenny, with default sshd/OpenSSH. Is this e.g. a feature of SSH protocol that allows user shell to handle sftp commands? I can't wrap my head around this because usually OpenSSH needs sftp-server module (or the internal one in newer versions) - and this makes me think that sftp commands don't even hit the shell and are handled earlier or by different code path..

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  • Munin fills server memory

    - by danilo
    In the last weeks, it happened several times to me that my vserver (Debian Lenny) was out of RAM (500M) and therefore wasn't able to run apache anymore. When looking at the processes with top, I saw that there were many open munin-limits and munin-cron processes that consumed most of the memory. My guess would be that sometimes Apache temporarily needs more memory, which prevents munin-cron from running. And if munin-cron isn't able to stop itself, it would fill the memory until nothing is left. I don't know whether this guess is true, but could maybe someone know what the problem is and how to prevent it? If necessary I'll remove munin, but I'd prefer to keep it running.

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  • WLAN LED randomly blinking when there is no traffic

    - by mrc
    Hi, I've got a Linksys WUSB54GC WLAN USB interface (Ralink chipset) and I'm running Debian GNU/Linux 6.0. The LED very often randomly blinks although there is no traffic in the network. I checked this with Wireshark. Sometimes, but rarely, the LED stops blinking. The issue is present in Ubuntu and Fedora too. It was not present in Debian Lenny with Linux 2.6.28. I checked an old live cd with ubuntu 8.10 with kernel 2.6.27 and it was also OK. So I guess that's an issue with Linux kernel and its wireless driver or firmware. Has anybody observed a similar thing? Does anybody know how to help this annoying blinking? Thanks.

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  • How to configure Postfix client relay to Exchange 2010 server

    - by helcim
    I'm getting (delivery temporarily suspended: SASL authentication failed; server myserver.com[xxx.xxx.xxx.x] said: 535 5.7.3 Authentication unsuccessful) when I try to relay mail from Postfix 2.5.5-1.1 on Debian Lenny box to Exchange 2010. I think I tried all possible combinations but I'm definitely missing something. Here is relevant part of main.cf: broken_sasl_auth_clients = yes smtp_sasl_auth_enable = yes smtp_sasl_security_options = noanonymous smtp_sasl_password_maps = hash:/etc/postfix/sasl_passwd smtp_pix_workarounds = smtp_sasl_type = cyrus smtp_always_send_ehlo = yes relayhost = myserver.com And I got libsasl2-modules installed. Anybody managed to successfully relay mail between Postfix and Exchange? Oh, and I already double-checked if password is right.

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  • Unmounted root partition

    - by Jack
    My server running Debian lenny has just had a power cut recently and its come back up with the root partition in read only mode. I tried to remount the filesystem in read write mode with mount -n -o remount,rw / which then gave the output mount: block device /dev/hda1 is write-protected, mounting read-only. But now the root filesystem isn't mounted at all so I can't run anything to mount the partition again or any other command for that matter such as shutdown because /bin/ isn't there. Is there anything I can do remotely?

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  • Sftp via shell - how is it possible?

    - by Tomasz Zielinski
    (Moved from StackOverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4589725/sftp-via-shell-how-it-is-possible) How is it possible for tools like http://mysecureshell.sourceforge.net/ to provide SFTP access by merely specifying them as shell by typing: usermod -s /bin/MySecureShell myuser ? I'm on Debian Lenny, with default sshd/OpenSSH. Is this e.g. a feature of SSH protocol that allows user shell to handle sftp commands? I can't wrap my head around this because usually OpenSSH needs sftp-server module (or the internal one in newer versions) - and this makes me think that sftp commands don't even hit the shell and are handled earlier or by different code path..

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  • VMWare Server lck file keeps coming back

    - by muncherelli
    I am running VMWare Server 2.0 on a Debian Lenny system as a host OS. I am getting this error when I try to start a Virtual Machine Cannot open the disk '/var/lib/vmware/Virtual Machines//.vmdk' or one of the snapshot disks it depends on. Reason: Failed to lock the file. So I looked around on the web and found that I need to delete the .lck folder and file in order to get this error This seems to happen any time I reboot my Debian Server. The Virtual Machines sometimes do not recover and this lck file is causing problems. Should I create a cron script that does a rm *.lck on each of my machines on reboot? Looking for any direction on how to resolve this. It seems when i do a "reboot" command it is maybe not gracefully shutting down the VMware containers so the lock files are still intact?

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  • Apache + Bind Problems

    - by Gabriel
    Hello, I am using VirtualMin on Debian-50-lenny-64-LAMP (Debian Linux 5.0). I've upgraded some packages including "bind". Since the upgrade, both Apache and Bind stopped working. Here's the errors I get: Blockquote Starting web server: apache2apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 78.46.92.11 for ServerName (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:80 (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:80 no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs failed! and Failed to start BIND : Unknown error I am sure that some files were changed after the upgrade and this is a simple problems to solve, but unfortunately, it's the first time I am in this situation and I just couldn't find a solution. I've Googled about the errors but still couldn't make it work. Now I am sorry I did the update. I usually make updates to have the latest versions of the packages that are installed in the server. Any ideas?

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  • What can cause peaks in pagetables in /proc/meminfo ?

    - by Fuzzy76
    I have a gameserver running Debian Lenny on a VPS host. Even when experiencing a fairly low load, the players start experiencing major lag (ping times rise from 50 ms to 150-500 ms) in bursts of 3 - 10 seconds. I have installed Munin server monitoring, but when looking at the graphs it looks like the server has plenty of CPU, RAM and bandwidth available. The only weird thing I noticed is some peaks in the memory graph attributed to "page_tables" which maps to PageTables in /proc/meminfo but I can't find any good information on what this might mean. Any ideas what might be causing this? If you need any more graps, just let me know. The interrupts/second count is at roughly 400-600 during this period (nearly all from eth0). The drop in committed was caused by me trying to lower the allocated memory for the server from 512MB to 256MB, but that didn't seem to help.

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  • how to limit upload bandwidth per user in linux?

    - by Gihan Lasita
    Can anyone provide the tc command to limit upload bandwidth per user in Debian Lenny? I found that to mark packets per user with iptables I can use the following command iptables -t mangle -A OUTPUT -p tcp -m owner --uid-owner testuser -j MARK --set-mark 500 but I have no idea how to use tc update by running following commands, i managed to limit testuser upload bandwidth to 10Mbit iptables -t mangle -N HTB_OUT iptables -t mangle -I POSTROUTING -j HTB_OUT iptables -t mangle -A HTB_OUT -j MARK --set-mark 30 iptables -t mangle -A HTB_OUT -m owner --uid-owner testuser -j MARK --set-mark 10 tc qdisc replace dev eth0 root handle 1: htb default 30 tc class replace dev eth0 parent 1: classid 1:1 htb rate 10Mbit burst 5k tc class replace dev eth0 parent 1:1 classid 1:10 htb rate 10Mbit ceil 10Mbit tc qdisc replace dev eth0 parent 1:10 handle 10: sfq perturb 10 tc filter add dev eth0 parent 1:0 prio 0 protocol ip handle 10 fw flowid 1:10 now the problem is, i do not want to limit testuser's FTP bandwidth but by running above commands FTP speed also limited to 10Mbit. Regards

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  • open-iscsi does not login into targets on boot

    - by Creshal
    We have a Debian Lenny server with open-iscsi that's configured to log into a target automatically: hostname:~# grep \\.startup /etc/iscsi/iscsid.conf node.startup = automatic hostname:~# grep \\.startup /etc/iscsi/nodes/iqn..../the.correct.ip.address\,port node.startup = automatic node.conn[0].startup = automatic hostname:~# If I issue a restart of open-iscsi via init.d, it works fine. But if I reboot the machine, iscsi starts, but does not even search for targets. I have to manually restart it before it works. Any ideas how to make it find the target on boot?

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  • VMWare Server :: VM set to 2gb RAM but vmware process shows 100mb physical, 1900mb virtual

    - by brad
    I've set up a VMWare instance to run CastIron Integration Appliance. I allocated 2gb of memory to the instance, assuming it would take this as physical memory (my server has 8gb total). When I view top however on the server, the vmware-vmx process has about 100m Resident memory and 1900m Virtual. Running CastIron it reports that the appliance often hits 50% memory usage. Does this mean I'm using 900mb of harddrive space as memory? I wanted VMWare to use 2gb of physical memory, no swap. Can anyone tell me how to achieve this? Setup Debian Lenny 5.0.3 VMWare Server 2.0.2

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  • Debian: SSH: "PermitRootLogin=forced-commands-only" stopped working

    - by Brent
    I have several servers running Debian Lenny. Just recently I discovered the PermitRootLogin=forced-commands-only directive for ssh, which allows me to run a scripted rsync as root with an ssl key, without enabling more generalized root ssh access. However, last week this stopped working - it appears on all of my servers - and I can't figure out why. Everything continues to work fine with PermitRootLogin=yes, but I would prefer to block root logins - especially via passwords. The day it stopped working, we reconfigured some of the ports on one of our switches (which we later reverted), but I can't see that affecting this, since it still works with PermitRootLogin set to yes. How can I diagnose why the forced-commands-only directive has apparently stopped working?

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  • Upgrading from MySQL Server to MariaDB

    - by Korrupzion
    I've heard that MariaDB has better performance than MySQL-Server. I'm running software that makes an intensive use of MySQL, thats why I want to try upgrading to MariaDB. Please tell me your experiences doing this conversion, and instructions or tips. Also, which files I should take care of for making a backup of MySQL-Server, so if something goes wrong with MariaDB, I could rollback to MySQL without issues? I would use this but i'm not sure if it's enough to get a full backup of MySQL-Server confs and databases mysqldump --all-databases backup /etc/mysql My Environment: uname -a (Debian Lenny) Linux charizard 2.6.26-2-amd64 #1 SMP Thu Sep 16 15:56:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux MySQL Server Version: Server version 5.0.51a-24+lenny4 MySQL Client: 5.0.51a Statistics: Threads: 25 Questions: 14690861 Slow queries: 9 Opens: 21428 Flush tables: 1 Open tables: 128 Queries per second avg: 162.666 Uptime: 1 day 1 hour 5 min 13 sec Thanks! PS: Rate my english :D

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  • a load balancing scenario using HAProxy and keepalived shows no performance advantage

    - by chakoshi
    Hi, I am trying to setup a load balanced web server scenario, using two HAproxy load balancers and two debian web servers following this guide http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-a-high-availability-load-balancer-with-haproxy-keepalived-on-debian-lenny. the setup is working but the results of simple performance benchmarking is not what I expected. I tried apache benchmark tool to send lots of requests to servers (one time directly testing one of the web servers and the other time testing through the load balancer) using the command "ab -n 1000000 -c 500 http://IP/index.html", but the test results shows better performance for the single server without load balancer. can any one tell me if I'm going wrong on some thing?

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